Yervoy and Radiation simultaneously

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    keepthefaith11
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      My father started Yervoy today. Nice to get the ball rolling. When speaking to his onc last week she said radiation was in the treatment plan and I mentioned reading about doing immunotheraphy and radiation simultaneously. At the appt. this week she agreed that would be a good way to proceed. They are currently working on the mapping for radiation and as soon as that is done radiation will start. Does anyone have experience with combining the two treatments? Seems there are some good studies saying this could be a benefit.

      My father is stage 3C with extracapsular extention in 2 nodes, and micromets in 2.

      Thanks!

      Annie

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        gregor913
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          I have read that it has its benefits. But yervoy is sysmetic treatment to stop the spread around the body. The radiation is more for local. I think when radiation is done they just target the area that had the macro nodes. Ex armpit , groin, neck that was affected. I have my third yervoy infusion monday and wish your father good luck. Greg
          gregor913
          Participant
            I have read that it has its benefits. But yervoy is sysmetic treatment to stop the spread around the body. The radiation is more for local. I think when radiation is done they just target the area that had the macro nodes. Ex armpit , groin, neck that was affected. I have my third yervoy infusion monday and wish your father good luck. Greg
            gregor913
            Participant
              I have read that it has its benefits. But yervoy is sysmetic treatment to stop the spread around the body. The radiation is more for local. I think when radiation is done they just target the area that had the macro nodes. Ex armpit , groin, neck that was affected. I have my third yervoy infusion monday and wish your father good luck. Greg
              Johnjk04
              Participant

                Hello Annie, I received the ippi/nivo combo with 3 Cyberknifes to the brain. (1/12)

                Also I had cancer in the lungs, liver, gall bladder and adrenal gland.

                As of May 2012 I have been NED. Wishing the best for Dad.

                Johnjk04
                Participant

                  Hello Annie, I received the ippi/nivo combo with 3 Cyberknifes to the brain. (1/12)

                  Also I had cancer in the lungs, liver, gall bladder and adrenal gland.

                  As of May 2012 I have been NED. Wishing the best for Dad.

                  Johnjk04
                  Participant

                    Hello Annie, I received the ippi/nivo combo with 3 Cyberknifes to the brain. (1/12)

                    Also I had cancer in the lungs, liver, gall bladder and adrenal gland.

                    As of May 2012 I have been NED. Wishing the best for Dad.

                    Bubbles
                    Participant

                      Annie,

                      I had SRS to a brain lesion prior to starting a 2 1/2 year trial with Nivo/Opdivo (anti-PD1) in 2010.  I was given my last dose in June of 2013 and remain NED.  There are many on the board who have utilized radiation simultaneous with various immnuotherapies as well as sequentially to good effect.  Here is just one post (with several links within – some addressing radiation with ipi specifically) containing articles that demonstrate the benefit of the combination: 

                      http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/10/review-of-abscopal-responses-after.html

                      Wishing you and your father my best.  Celeste

                       

                       

                      Bubbles
                      Participant

                        Annie,

                        I had SRS to a brain lesion prior to starting a 2 1/2 year trial with Nivo/Opdivo (anti-PD1) in 2010.  I was given my last dose in June of 2013 and remain NED.  There are many on the board who have utilized radiation simultaneous with various immnuotherapies as well as sequentially to good effect.  Here is just one post (with several links within – some addressing radiation with ipi specifically) containing articles that demonstrate the benefit of the combination: 

                        http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/10/review-of-abscopal-responses-after.html

                        Wishing you and your father my best.  Celeste

                         

                         

                          Squash
                          Participant

                            Good to know about Ipi and radiation working together.

                            I might be doing the the two together as well after failing with Keytruda.

                             

                            Squash
                            Participant

                              Good to know about Ipi and radiation working together.

                              I might be doing the the two together as well after failing with Keytruda.

                               

                              JuTMSY4
                              Participant

                                Yes – very exciting stuff going on with immunotherapries and traditional treatments.  There has even been some attempts at chemo combinations.  

                                http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2015/03/minn/

                                There seems to be potential not just for ipi but combined and sequential treatments that finally unlock the immune system to attack the melanoma.  

                                If the patient can stand the radiation and immunotherapy drugs, which most do well on, then I would strongly consider the ability to combine them.  

                                JuTMSY4
                                Participant

                                  Yes – very exciting stuff going on with immunotherapries and traditional treatments.  There has even been some attempts at chemo combinations.  

                                  http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2015/03/minn/

                                  There seems to be potential not just for ipi but combined and sequential treatments that finally unlock the immune system to attack the melanoma.  

                                  If the patient can stand the radiation and immunotherapy drugs, which most do well on, then I would strongly consider the ability to combine them.  

                                  JuTMSY4
                                  Participant

                                    Yes – very exciting stuff going on with immunotherapries and traditional treatments.  There has even been some attempts at chemo combinations.  

                                    http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2015/03/minn/

                                    There seems to be potential not just for ipi but combined and sequential treatments that finally unlock the immune system to attack the melanoma.  

                                    If the patient can stand the radiation and immunotherapy drugs, which most do well on, then I would strongly consider the ability to combine them.  

                                    Squash
                                    Participant

                                      Good to know about Ipi and radiation working together.

                                      I might be doing the the two together as well after failing with Keytruda.

                                       

                                    Bubbles
                                    Participant

                                      Annie,

                                      I had SRS to a brain lesion prior to starting a 2 1/2 year trial with Nivo/Opdivo (anti-PD1) in 2010.  I was given my last dose in June of 2013 and remain NED.  There are many on the board who have utilized radiation simultaneous with various immnuotherapies as well as sequentially to good effect.  Here is just one post (with several links within – some addressing radiation with ipi specifically) containing articles that demonstrate the benefit of the combination: 

                                      http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/10/review-of-abscopal-responses-after.html

                                      Wishing you and your father my best.  Celeste

                                       

                                       

                                      gregor913
                                      Participant
                                        When radiation is done. Is it done to the affected lymph nodes or the whole body. How does that work?
                                        gregor913
                                        Participant
                                          When radiation is done. Is it done to the affected lymph nodes or the whole body. How does that work?
                                            ed williams
                                            Participant

                                              If you take a look at the article above you will see that they use radiation on one single tumor and then used checkpoint inhibitors in this case Ipi (Yervoy) to treat the whole body. I have listen to a couple of different Oncologist talk about the Abscopal effect and the thinking is that when the radiation kills part of the tumor, it releases antigents into the blood and lymph system. When these antigens are brought to lymph nodes the t-cells will be programed to look for this specific tumor antigen. So by hitting one tumor you will in effect trigger the immune system to do the rest of the job,with the help of Ipi and or Pd-1 immunotherapy drugs. I have always wondered if my stereotatic brain radiation that I had previous to starting on the clinical trial checkmate 69 helped or in other words was there an ( abscopal effect). Hopefully more trials will prove this theory and make it standard of care!!! Ed 

                                              ed williams
                                              Participant

                                                If you take a look at the article above you will see that they use radiation on one single tumor and then used checkpoint inhibitors in this case Ipi (Yervoy) to treat the whole body. I have listen to a couple of different Oncologist talk about the Abscopal effect and the thinking is that when the radiation kills part of the tumor, it releases antigents into the blood and lymph system. When these antigens are brought to lymph nodes the t-cells will be programed to look for this specific tumor antigen. So by hitting one tumor you will in effect trigger the immune system to do the rest of the job,with the help of Ipi and or Pd-1 immunotherapy drugs. I have always wondered if my stereotatic brain radiation that I had previous to starting on the clinical trial checkmate 69 helped or in other words was there an ( abscopal effect). Hopefully more trials will prove this theory and make it standard of care!!! Ed 

                                                ed williams
                                                Participant

                                                  If you take a look at the article above you will see that they use radiation on one single tumor and then used checkpoint inhibitors in this case Ipi (Yervoy) to treat the whole body. I have listen to a couple of different Oncologist talk about the Abscopal effect and the thinking is that when the radiation kills part of the tumor, it releases antigents into the blood and lymph system. When these antigens are brought to lymph nodes the t-cells will be programed to look for this specific tumor antigen. So by hitting one tumor you will in effect trigger the immune system to do the rest of the job,with the help of Ipi and or Pd-1 immunotherapy drugs. I have always wondered if my stereotatic brain radiation that I had previous to starting on the clinical trial checkmate 69 helped or in other words was there an ( abscopal effect). Hopefully more trials will prove this theory and make it standard of care!!! Ed 

                                                gregor913
                                                Participant
                                                  When radiation is done. Is it done to the affected lymph nodes or the whole body. How does that work?
                                                  keepthefaith11
                                                  Participant

                                                    Thank you for all the feedback and interesting discussions and links. Seems it is called ABSCOPAL EFFECT and Ed explained it beautifully. I was encouraged by our Onc's willingness to try this, somewhat out-of-the-box combination. At least for Stage 3. One would think that if this is the effect it has, possible in-transit cancer cells would be more targeted as well. Not just excisting tumors.

                                                    Here is another link:

                                                    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1112824

                                                    Annie

                                                    keepthefaith11
                                                    Participant

                                                      Thank you for all the feedback and interesting discussions and links. Seems it is called ABSCOPAL EFFECT and Ed explained it beautifully. I was encouraged by our Onc's willingness to try this, somewhat out-of-the-box combination. At least for Stage 3. One would think that if this is the effect it has, possible in-transit cancer cells would be more targeted as well. Not just excisting tumors.

                                                      Here is another link:

                                                      http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1112824

                                                      Annie

                                                      keepthefaith11
                                                      Participant

                                                        Thank you for all the feedback and interesting discussions and links. Seems it is called ABSCOPAL EFFECT and Ed explained it beautifully. I was encouraged by our Onc's willingness to try this, somewhat out-of-the-box combination. At least for Stage 3. One would think that if this is the effect it has, possible in-transit cancer cells would be more targeted as well. Not just excisting tumors.

                                                        Here is another link:

                                                        http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1112824

                                                        Annie

                                                        _Paul_
                                                        Participant

                                                          Hi Annie,

                                                          I was a participant in the RAD-VAX trial at the SCCA in Seattle. This combined the standard ipi protocol of 4 3mg/kg infusions with SRS to one of my tumors (not the largest one). I was only able to complete 3 doses of ipi due to side effects, and at the end did see progression in my largest tumor, but the rest remained stable.

                                                          I wish I could say for certain whether the addition of the SRS to the ipi had an effect, but I guess we need to wait for the trial results. What I do know was that the decision was a no brainer for me given that ipi was the standard of care anyway. Why not give it an extra (hopeful) boost?

                                                          – Paul

                                                          _Paul_
                                                          Participant

                                                            Hi Annie,

                                                            I was a participant in the RAD-VAX trial at the SCCA in Seattle. This combined the standard ipi protocol of 4 3mg/kg infusions with SRS to one of my tumors (not the largest one). I was only able to complete 3 doses of ipi due to side effects, and at the end did see progression in my largest tumor, but the rest remained stable.

                                                            I wish I could say for certain whether the addition of the SRS to the ipi had an effect, but I guess we need to wait for the trial results. What I do know was that the decision was a no brainer for me given that ipi was the standard of care anyway. Why not give it an extra (hopeful) boost?

                                                            – Paul

                                                              keepthefaith11
                                                              Participant
                                                                Thanks Paul. Yes, that is what I am thinking. It can’t hurt, and who knows if some time from now they will figure out that it is actually extremely beneficial. Since he has to have radiation therapy because of the extra capsular extension anyway, might as well follow this protocol for some hopefully positive benefits.
                                                                keepthefaith11
                                                                Participant
                                                                  Thanks Paul. Yes, that is what I am thinking. It can’t hurt, and who knows if some time from now they will figure out that it is actually extremely beneficial. Since he has to have radiation therapy because of the extra capsular extension anyway, might as well follow this protocol for some hopefully positive benefits.
                                                                  keepthefaith11
                                                                  Participant
                                                                    Thanks Paul. Yes, that is what I am thinking. It can’t hurt, and who knows if some time from now they will figure out that it is actually extremely beneficial. Since he has to have radiation therapy because of the extra capsular extension anyway, might as well follow this protocol for some hopefully positive benefits.
                                                                  _Paul_
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Hi Annie,

                                                                    I was a participant in the RAD-VAX trial at the SCCA in Seattle. This combined the standard ipi protocol of 4 3mg/kg infusions with SRS to one of my tumors (not the largest one). I was only able to complete 3 doses of ipi due to side effects, and at the end did see progression in my largest tumor, but the rest remained stable.

                                                                    I wish I could say for certain whether the addition of the SRS to the ipi had an effect, but I guess we need to wait for the trial results. What I do know was that the decision was a no brainer for me given that ipi was the standard of care anyway. Why not give it an extra (hopeful) boost?

                                                                    – Paul

                                                                    gregor913
                                                                    Participant
                                                                      I was not offered radiation because I had microscopic cells in one node. I wonder if it would have any benefit on people like me. Greg
                                                                        _Paul_
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          That is a good question Greg. The idea is that they need to release bits of protein into your system from an exposed tumor, so I don't know it a few cells would release the required amount.

                                                                          – Paul

                                                                          _Paul_
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            That is a good question Greg. The idea is that they need to release bits of protein into your system from an exposed tumor, so I don't know it a few cells would release the required amount.

                                                                            – Paul

                                                                            _Paul_
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              That is a good question Greg. The idea is that they need to release bits of protein into your system from an exposed tumor, so I don't know it a few cells would release the required amount.

                                                                              – Paul

                                                                            gregor913
                                                                            Participant
                                                                              I was not offered radiation because I had microscopic cells in one node. I wonder if it would have any benefit on people like me. Greg
                                                                              gregor913
                                                                              Participant
                                                                                I was not offered radiation because I had microscopic cells in one node. I wonder if it would have any benefit on people like me. Greg
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