Response to Anti-pd1or pdl-1 after taking failed IPI response

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    killmel
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      Hi,

      I am a newbie & trying to understand the RESPONSE difference between IPI & anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1

      If a patient does NOT respond to IPI, why would the patient possiblly respond to anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1.

      I do not understand that if you take the breaks of your immune system with IPI, how is different than taking the breaks off with anti-pd1 or pdl-1?

      Why could a patient who was not a responder with IPI, possible get a response by taking anti-pd1/pdl-1 after taking IPI.

      Hi,

      I am a newbie & trying to understand the RESPONSE difference between IPI & anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1

      If a patient does NOT respond to IPI, why would the patient possiblly respond to anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1.

      I do not understand that if you take the breaks of your immune system with IPI, how is different than taking the breaks off with anti-pd1 or pdl-1?

      Why could a patient who was not a responder with IPI, possible get a response by taking anti-pd1/pdl-1 after taking IPI.

      Is taking anti-pd1 drug or taking anti-pdl-1 make a difference? Can you get a  better response by picking one over than other?

      Thanks for all you great info.

      A

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        jim Breitfeller
        Participant

          See my post at Ipi Update  empen on 9/28.2011

           Great Question!!!!! 

          Ipi works on the surface molecule CTLA-4 which are upregulated during T-cell activation. Most T-cells including the Tregs will have this receptor on their surface. When this receptor is engaged, the immune response is down-regulated.. terminated. So by blocking this receptor with Yervoy (Ipi), the checkpoint remains active.

          Anti- PD-1 blocks another receptor called PD-1. It also is up-regulated on the T-cell. Now on the tumor cells, there are receptors called PD-L1. This PD-L1 receptor can bind/engage with PD-1 on the T-cells. When this happens, the immune rsponse is down-regulated and no response is generated.

          There is data coming that anti-PD-1  blocks global inhibtion of the T-cells and shows a better response. How much better, still waiting on the data.

          warm regards,

          Jimmy B

          jim Breitfeller
          Participant

            See my post at Ipi Update  empen on 9/28.2011

             Great Question!!!!! 

            Ipi works on the surface molecule CTLA-4 which are upregulated during T-cell activation. Most T-cells including the Tregs will have this receptor on their surface. When this receptor is engaged, the immune response is down-regulated.. terminated. So by blocking this receptor with Yervoy (Ipi), the checkpoint remains active.

            Anti- PD-1 blocks another receptor called PD-1. It also is up-regulated on the T-cell. Now on the tumor cells, there are receptors called PD-L1. This PD-L1 receptor can bind/engage with PD-1 on the T-cells. When this happens, the immune rsponse is down-regulated and no response is generated.

            There is data coming that anti-PD-1  blocks global inhibtion of the T-cells and shows a better response. How much better, still waiting on the data.

            warm regards,

            Jimmy B

              LynnLuc
              Participant

                Jimmy,

                I will let you know how its ( anti PD 1) working in 20 years =:o) remind me!-Lynn

                LynnLuc
                Participant

                  Jimmy,

                  I will let you know how its ( anti PD 1) working in 20 years =:o) remind me!-Lynn

                  lhaley
                  Participant

                    Lynn,

                    Don't you sometime want a like button like facebook?  20 years would sound soooo good.

                    Linda

                    lhaley
                    Participant

                      Lynn,

                      Don't you sometime want a like button like facebook?  20 years would sound soooo good.

                      Linda

                      LynnLuc
                      Participant

                        yeppers- a like button would be nice !

                        I have to think ahead-far ahead because it's what keeps me going…looking back is not a pretty picture…I think I will always suffer from PTSD because of the DX.

                        LynnLuc
                        Participant

                          yeppers- a like button would be nice !

                          I have to think ahead-far ahead because it's what keeps me going…looking back is not a pretty picture…I think I will always suffer from PTSD because of the DX.

                        jim Breitfeller
                        Participant

                          PD-L1 expressed on tumor cells protects them from direct immune attack by the specific (CTL) Cytotoxic T lymphocytes at the effector level at least in vitro, and enhances the tumorigenicity in vivo.  

                          Involvement of PD-L1 on tumor cells in the escape from host immune system and tumor immunotherapy by PD-L1 blockade

                           

                          PD-L1 negatively regulates CD4+CD25+Foxp3+ Tregs by limiting STAT-5 phosphorylation. The STAT-5 signaling drives the Th2 and Treg phonotype.

                          So what is left is the Th1 and the Th17 phenotype.

                          jim Breitfeller
                          Participant

                            PD-L1 expressed on tumor cells protects them from direct immune attack by the specific (CTL) Cytotoxic T lymphocytes at the effector level at least in vitro, and enhances the tumorigenicity in vivo.  

                            Involvement of PD-L1 on tumor cells in the escape from host immune system and tumor immunotherapy by PD-L1 blockade

                             

                            PD-L1 negatively regulates CD4+CD25+Foxp3+ Tregs by limiting STAT-5 phosphorylation. The STAT-5 signaling drives the Th2 and Treg phonotype.

                            So what is left is the Th1 and the Th17 phenotype.

                            killmel
                            Participant

                              Jimmy,

                               

                              When taking pd1 or pdl-1, will the lymphocite counts (killer t cells) go up like with  IPI?

                               

                              Thanks

                              A.

                              killmel
                              Participant

                                Jimmy,

                                 

                                When taking pd1 or pdl-1, will the lymphocite counts (killer t cells) go up like with  IPI?

                                 

                                Thanks

                                A.

                                  jim Breitfeller
                                  Participant

                                    Yes. higher ALC indicates Cell expansion of all the your T-cells ,

                                    jim Breitfeller
                                    Participant

                                      Yes. higher ALC indicates Cell expansion of all the your T-cells ,

                                      JerryfromFauq
                                      Participant

                                        Love your posts, Jimmy.

                                        JerryfromFauq
                                        Participant

                                          Love your posts, Jimmy.

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