Living with Stable Disease (G-Samsa and Joe)

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    BrianP
    Participant

      Your comments on the NED thread really hit a chord with me.  I've been thinking of that very topic quite a bit lately.  G-Samsa, like you I am in a Ipi-Nivo trial and like you I've had a about a 50 to 60% percent reduction in tumors initially and now seem to have reached a stable status.  I did not realize what a common response this was with the anti-pd1 drugs until watching the immunotherapy presentation I posted several days ago on OMedlive.com.  G-Samsa, I think it may have been the study you are participating in which they posted the graph of responses.  If I remember correctly the graph I saw only showed one complete responder and the rest of the responders acheived a stable result at around 30 weeks that seemed to be pretty durable.  Joe you summed it up much better than I can about all the implications surrounding living with this disease.  G-Samsa, I read your comments from your doctor with great interest concerning his/her belief that our immune system should now be able to do the job on it's own.  My doctor and I have just briefly talked about the subject.  He made an interesting comment about options down the road so "I don't have to be on nivo the rest of my life."  I believe he's thinking about options like SBRT for two small tumors I have remaining.  It will be real interesting to see where the medical community falls out on this subject. 

      I really don't like the idea of living with stable disease but I know there are many on here that would do anything to be in my situation right now so I know it's a true blessing.  Many of you probably read T.J. Sharpe's blog.  He made a great comment the other day on his blog: "stable is a tie, a tie is a win, even if it's not the result we desire." 

      Brian

       

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        jualonso
        Participant

          Hi Brian,

          Im agree with you is better living with stable disease than not living , of course the life quality has to be good enough.

          You said you are in a clinical trial taking ipi and nivo, i heard that side effect were bad, how are with you?

           

          Juan

          jualonso
          Participant

            Hi Brian,

            Im agree with you is better living with stable disease than not living , of course the life quality has to be good enough.

            You said you are in a clinical trial taking ipi and nivo, i heard that side effect were bad, how are with you?

             

            Juan

              Maureen038
              Participant

                Brian,

                   There's another category of patients too. My husband is also on the ipi/nivo trial, but one lung nodule is not responding to the PD1, while the other eight have been stable for four months.My husband has had 50 percent shrinkage. Dr. Kirkwood said that that has happened to other patients too. Patient#1in Philly has the same issue of PD1 working on most tumors while not working on others. I also believe that his adernal gland has to be removed and it was a new tumor. Immunotherapy is going to bring about many categories of patients and hopefully many that are stable or NED.

                Maureen

                Maureen038
                Participant

                  Brian,

                     There's another category of patients too. My husband is also on the ipi/nivo trial, but one lung nodule is not responding to the PD1, while the other eight have been stable for four months.My husband has had 50 percent shrinkage. Dr. Kirkwood said that that has happened to other patients too. Patient#1in Philly has the same issue of PD1 working on most tumors while not working on others. I also believe that his adernal gland has to be removed and it was a new tumor. Immunotherapy is going to bring about many categories of patients and hopefully many that are stable or NED.

                  Maureen

                  BrianP
                  Participant

                    Maureen,

                    Thanks for pointing that out. That really is a baffling result isn't it. Does Dr. Kirkwood have any theories as to why that might be occurring. My guess is that the high mutation rate of melanoma causes genetic differences even in melanomas that have the same primary. I have been reading T.J.'s updates on his latest setback with the adrenal gland tumor. I actually corresponded with him via Facebook a couple days ago and not surprisingly he is very upbeat about his circumstances.

                    Do you all have a plan for the lung nodule? I'm happy to hear eveything else is going well. How is your husband's anemia and is he feeling better?

                    Brian

                    BrianP
                    Participant

                      Maureen,

                      Thanks for pointing that out. That really is a baffling result isn't it. Does Dr. Kirkwood have any theories as to why that might be occurring. My guess is that the high mutation rate of melanoma causes genetic differences even in melanomas that have the same primary. I have been reading T.J.'s updates on his latest setback with the adrenal gland tumor. I actually corresponded with him via Facebook a couple days ago and not surprisingly he is very upbeat about his circumstances.

                      Do you all have a plan for the lung nodule? I'm happy to hear eveything else is going well. How is your husband's anemia and is he feeling better?

                      Brian

                      RJoeyB
                      Participant

                        I've gone through and heard of similar experiences. Of the systemic immunotherapies I've had, IL-2, TIL, and ipi, my doctor at my home hospital, my doctors at NIH, and others we've spoken with believe the good response I've had has been because of the TIL. But stuff has crept through, notably a stretch of five different  mets in three different long bones (tibia and femur) of my legs that didn't respond while the others were literally melting away. More than once, my doctors have used the terms "safe haven" and "safe harbor" when describing what my melanoma was doing in the bones. There isn't a clear clinical reason why that would be, it's not as if there aren't blood vessels in the bones (they're actually dense with blood vessels) that would prevent TILs or other systemic treatments from reaching these mets.

                        My doctor also mentioned to me that he was at a recent melanoma conference and was discussing my case with Dr. O'Day (BH Cancer Center, was at Angeles, I think?) and that this indeed is something they're seeing more of — not necessarily always bone, but good responses tempered with a low burden of mets that don't seem to respond, but also aren't terribly aggressive. 

                        The strategy that's worked for us and O'Day said they've used has been to manage these with the traditional treatments of surgery or radiation as appropriate. We've taken to calling it "spot welding" — I've come to feel like I'm being held together by those welds and a maybe also a few rolls of duct tape, it really completes the image 😉

                        A good example is the lung met I had. Found on my regular PET last October and relatively small at 1.2-cm. But going back to three-month PETs to as early as the previous January, it was there, with slight growth from scan to scan. Knowing the nature of PET, I don't view it as something "they missed", if you go looking too hard at PET for every little thing, you'll find something and this clearly wasn't acting aggressive. So in October, even then it was a case of, "Yes, given your history, this is likely melanoma, but let's watch it a little first." First reaction is, "Get it out now!" but we went ahead and did a CT at six weeks and it looked relatively stable. Another six weeks and my regular PET came up again, the size was maybe 1.3-cm, not significant considering the CT part of PET-CT is lower power/resolution, but the SUV (metabolic brightness) had gone up some. Again, not terribly aggressive, but something that would need taken care if at some point.

                        So at that point just this past January, it seemed like wasting a bullet to try BRAF or a BRAF/MEK combo or look at a PD-1 trial. Save those for if or when I need them. We could have waited and watched more. It wasn't going to go away on its own, but it wasn't causing issues, wasn't going to be a source of more mets (which I've always found interesting), and was asymptomatic. But after talking with my radiation oncologist, all agreed that we had a good opportunity for more "spot welding". Everything else was relatively quiet, so let's just take the opportunity to knock it out now when there are no other complicating factors. 5 sessions of SBRT (radiation) over two weeks in February. In the April PET it was already smaller and dimmer and in my PET last week, it didn't even make the radiology report. I've posted elsewhere here about the effective use of radiation, but for us it's been a part of managing my disease and more and more, sounds like it is a part of the strategy for others. As scary as my brain met was, I include it in this whole thing, too. One met, sort of out of the blue, with the biggest difference being that the location requires that it be treated in much more quickly.

                        Long story short, though, these "rogue tumors" are becoming a common theme for some, but there are management strategies for them — an issue for us "near-NEDs", "pseudo-NEDs", or whatever you want to call us, and others who are having good responses to immunotherapies.

                        Joe

                         

                         

                        RJoeyB
                        Participant

                          I've gone through and heard of similar experiences. Of the systemic immunotherapies I've had, IL-2, TIL, and ipi, my doctor at my home hospital, my doctors at NIH, and others we've spoken with believe the good response I've had has been because of the TIL. But stuff has crept through, notably a stretch of five different  mets in three different long bones (tibia and femur) of my legs that didn't respond while the others were literally melting away. More than once, my doctors have used the terms "safe haven" and "safe harbor" when describing what my melanoma was doing in the bones. There isn't a clear clinical reason why that would be, it's not as if there aren't blood vessels in the bones (they're actually dense with blood vessels) that would prevent TILs or other systemic treatments from reaching these mets.

                          My doctor also mentioned to me that he was at a recent melanoma conference and was discussing my case with Dr. O'Day (BH Cancer Center, was at Angeles, I think?) and that this indeed is something they're seeing more of — not necessarily always bone, but good responses tempered with a low burden of mets that don't seem to respond, but also aren't terribly aggressive. 

                          The strategy that's worked for us and O'Day said they've used has been to manage these with the traditional treatments of surgery or radiation as appropriate. We've taken to calling it "spot welding" — I've come to feel like I'm being held together by those welds and a maybe also a few rolls of duct tape, it really completes the image 😉

                          A good example is the lung met I had. Found on my regular PET last October and relatively small at 1.2-cm. But going back to three-month PETs to as early as the previous January, it was there, with slight growth from scan to scan. Knowing the nature of PET, I don't view it as something "they missed", if you go looking too hard at PET for every little thing, you'll find something and this clearly wasn't acting aggressive. So in October, even then it was a case of, "Yes, given your history, this is likely melanoma, but let's watch it a little first." First reaction is, "Get it out now!" but we went ahead and did a CT at six weeks and it looked relatively stable. Another six weeks and my regular PET came up again, the size was maybe 1.3-cm, not significant considering the CT part of PET-CT is lower power/resolution, but the SUV (metabolic brightness) had gone up some. Again, not terribly aggressive, but something that would need taken care if at some point.

                          So at that point just this past January, it seemed like wasting a bullet to try BRAF or a BRAF/MEK combo or look at a PD-1 trial. Save those for if or when I need them. We could have waited and watched more. It wasn't going to go away on its own, but it wasn't causing issues, wasn't going to be a source of more mets (which I've always found interesting), and was asymptomatic. But after talking with my radiation oncologist, all agreed that we had a good opportunity for more "spot welding". Everything else was relatively quiet, so let's just take the opportunity to knock it out now when there are no other complicating factors. 5 sessions of SBRT (radiation) over two weeks in February. In the April PET it was already smaller and dimmer and in my PET last week, it didn't even make the radiology report. I've posted elsewhere here about the effective use of radiation, but for us it's been a part of managing my disease and more and more, sounds like it is a part of the strategy for others. As scary as my brain met was, I include it in this whole thing, too. One met, sort of out of the blue, with the biggest difference being that the location requires that it be treated in much more quickly.

                          Long story short, though, these "rogue tumors" are becoming a common theme for some, but there are management strategies for them — an issue for us "near-NEDs", "pseudo-NEDs", or whatever you want to call us, and others who are having good responses to immunotherapies.

                          Joe

                           

                           

                          RJoeyB
                          Participant

                            I've gone through and heard of similar experiences. Of the systemic immunotherapies I've had, IL-2, TIL, and ipi, my doctor at my home hospital, my doctors at NIH, and others we've spoken with believe the good response I've had has been because of the TIL. But stuff has crept through, notably a stretch of five different  mets in three different long bones (tibia and femur) of my legs that didn't respond while the others were literally melting away. More than once, my doctors have used the terms "safe haven" and "safe harbor" when describing what my melanoma was doing in the bones. There isn't a clear clinical reason why that would be, it's not as if there aren't blood vessels in the bones (they're actually dense with blood vessels) that would prevent TILs or other systemic treatments from reaching these mets.

                            My doctor also mentioned to me that he was at a recent melanoma conference and was discussing my case with Dr. O'Day (BH Cancer Center, was at Angeles, I think?) and that this indeed is something they're seeing more of — not necessarily always bone, but good responses tempered with a low burden of mets that don't seem to respond, but also aren't terribly aggressive. 

                            The strategy that's worked for us and O'Day said they've used has been to manage these with the traditional treatments of surgery or radiation as appropriate. We've taken to calling it "spot welding" — I've come to feel like I'm being held together by those welds and a maybe also a few rolls of duct tape, it really completes the image 😉

                            A good example is the lung met I had. Found on my regular PET last October and relatively small at 1.2-cm. But going back to three-month PETs to as early as the previous January, it was there, with slight growth from scan to scan. Knowing the nature of PET, I don't view it as something "they missed", if you go looking too hard at PET for every little thing, you'll find something and this clearly wasn't acting aggressive. So in October, even then it was a case of, "Yes, given your history, this is likely melanoma, but let's watch it a little first." First reaction is, "Get it out now!" but we went ahead and did a CT at six weeks and it looked relatively stable. Another six weeks and my regular PET came up again, the size was maybe 1.3-cm, not significant considering the CT part of PET-CT is lower power/resolution, but the SUV (metabolic brightness) had gone up some. Again, not terribly aggressive, but something that would need taken care if at some point.

                            So at that point just this past January, it seemed like wasting a bullet to try BRAF or a BRAF/MEK combo or look at a PD-1 trial. Save those for if or when I need them. We could have waited and watched more. It wasn't going to go away on its own, but it wasn't causing issues, wasn't going to be a source of more mets (which I've always found interesting), and was asymptomatic. But after talking with my radiation oncologist, all agreed that we had a good opportunity for more "spot welding". Everything else was relatively quiet, so let's just take the opportunity to knock it out now when there are no other complicating factors. 5 sessions of SBRT (radiation) over two weeks in February. In the April PET it was already smaller and dimmer and in my PET last week, it didn't even make the radiology report. I've posted elsewhere here about the effective use of radiation, but for us it's been a part of managing my disease and more and more, sounds like it is a part of the strategy for others. As scary as my brain met was, I include it in this whole thing, too. One met, sort of out of the blue, with the biggest difference being that the location requires that it be treated in much more quickly.

                            Long story short, though, these "rogue tumors" are becoming a common theme for some, but there are management strategies for them — an issue for us "near-NEDs", "pseudo-NEDs", or whatever you want to call us, and others who are having good responses to immunotherapies.

                            Joe

                             

                             

                            Maureen038
                            Participant

                              Brian,

                                 I'm not sure if I'm going to explain this right, but Dr. Kirkwood said its possible that the one tumor not responding doesn't have the PD1 receptor. Dr. Sznol at Yale wrote a paper on nivolumbab that sometimes it can progress like ipi then get better or it can have mixed results. You are excellent at finding papers so if you do, can you post it? It would be hopeful to all patients like my husband who are on PD1 drugs. In fact, we used the paper to argue to stay on the trial. Bill is feeling great and working full time. At the next scan( 6 weeks) we will decide whether to have VATS surgery or radiation on the one lung nodule. His anemia is fine. His hemoglobin has been in the 11-12 range for four months. Thank you Brian and Joe for all you do for this site!! You provide very important information in a very encouraging and caring way!

                              Maureen

                              Maureen038
                              Participant

                                Brian,

                                   I'm not sure if I'm going to explain this right, but Dr. Kirkwood said its possible that the one tumor not responding doesn't have the PD1 receptor. Dr. Sznol at Yale wrote a paper on nivolumbab that sometimes it can progress like ipi then get better or it can have mixed results. You are excellent at finding papers so if you do, can you post it? It would be hopeful to all patients like my husband who are on PD1 drugs. In fact, we used the paper to argue to stay on the trial. Bill is feeling great and working full time. At the next scan( 6 weeks) we will decide whether to have VATS surgery or radiation on the one lung nodule. His anemia is fine. His hemoglobin has been in the 11-12 range for four months. Thank you Brian and Joe for all you do for this site!! You provide very important information in a very encouraging and caring way!

                                Maureen

                                BrianP
                                Participant

                                  Glad to hear Bill is doing so well these days!  I'll see if I can track down that paper by Dr. Sznol tonight.  I'd be real interested to see what he had to say also. 

                                  Maureen, this may seem like a silly question but does the trial allow you to have the VATS surgery or radiation?  I have been assuming all along that they wouldn't allow such things on trial.  I've never thought to ask.

                                  Brian

                                  BrianP
                                  Participant

                                    Glad to hear Bill is doing so well these days!  I'll see if I can track down that paper by Dr. Sznol tonight.  I'd be real interested to see what he had to say also. 

                                    Maureen, this may seem like a silly question but does the trial allow you to have the VATS surgery or radiation?  I have been assuming all along that they wouldn't allow such things on trial.  I've never thought to ask.

                                    Brian

                                    BrianP
                                    Participant

                                      Glad to hear Bill is doing so well these days!  I'll see if I can track down that paper by Dr. Sznol tonight.  I'd be real interested to see what he had to say also. 

                                      Maureen, this may seem like a silly question but does the trial allow you to have the VATS surgery or radiation?  I have been assuming all along that they wouldn't allow such things on trial.  I've never thought to ask.

                                      Brian

                                      Maureen038
                                      Participant

                                        Yes he said he could stay on trial with the VATS surgery. I'm not sure about the radiation. We will be in Pittsburg on Monday and we will ask that question.

                                        Maureen

                                        Maureen038
                                        Participant

                                          Yes he said he could stay on trial with the VATS surgery. I'm not sure about the radiation. We will be in Pittsburg on Monday and we will ask that question.

                                          Maureen

                                          Maureen038
                                          Participant

                                            Yes he said he could stay on trial with the VATS surgery. I'm not sure about the radiation. We will be in Pittsburg on Monday and we will ask that question.

                                            Maureen

                                            Maureen038
                                            Participant

                                              Brian,

                                                We were just in Pittsburg on monday and found out that if the one nodule keeps growing that Bill can have the VATS surgery and it won't interfere at all with the trial unless there are complications with the surgery. Radiation would take him out of the study so we obviously would not chose to do that.

                                              Maureen

                                              BrianP
                                              Participant

                                                Thanks Maureen.  That does make sense.

                                                BrianP
                                                Participant

                                                  Thanks Maureen.  That does make sense.

                                                  Maureen038
                                                  Participant

                                                    Brian, 

                                                        To further update you, I just found out another man on the same trial who has mucosal melanoma will have a one time radiation on a spot in his chest that keeps growing. All of his other areas of disease are stable or shrinking. It took until his tenth infusion of nivolumbab to see any shrinkage. I think melanoma specialists are going to have to be patient with nivolumbab because some patients take time. I shudder to think if we hadn't effectively argued with our doctor where we would be. Keep making this topic on the board so we can all learn from each other. Thanks for all you do!

                                                    Maureen

                                                    Maureen038
                                                    Participant

                                                      Brian, 

                                                          To further update you, I just found out another man on the same trial who has mucosal melanoma will have a one time radiation on a spot in his chest that keeps growing. All of his other areas of disease are stable or shrinking. It took until his tenth infusion of nivolumbab to see any shrinkage. I think melanoma specialists are going to have to be patient with nivolumbab because some patients take time. I shudder to think if we hadn't effectively argued with our doctor where we would be. Keep making this topic on the board so we can all learn from each other. Thanks for all you do!

                                                      Maureen

                                                      Maureen038
                                                      Participant

                                                        Brian, 

                                                            To further update you, I just found out another man on the same trial who has mucosal melanoma will have a one time radiation on a spot in his chest that keeps growing. All of his other areas of disease are stable or shrinking. It took until his tenth infusion of nivolumbab to see any shrinkage. I think melanoma specialists are going to have to be patient with nivolumbab because some patients take time. I shudder to think if we hadn't effectively argued with our doctor where we would be. Keep making this topic on the board so we can all learn from each other. Thanks for all you do!

                                                        Maureen

                                                        BrianP
                                                        Participant

                                                          Thanks Maureen.  That does make sense.

                                                          Maureen038
                                                          Participant

                                                            Brian,

                                                              We were just in Pittsburg on monday and found out that if the one nodule keeps growing that Bill can have the VATS surgery and it won't interfere at all with the trial unless there are complications with the surgery. Radiation would take him out of the study so we obviously would not chose to do that.

                                                            Maureen

                                                            Maureen038
                                                            Participant

                                                              Brian,

                                                                We were just in Pittsburg on monday and found out that if the one nodule keeps growing that Bill can have the VATS surgery and it won't interfere at all with the trial unless there are complications with the surgery. Radiation would take him out of the study so we obviously would not chose to do that.

                                                              Maureen

                                                              Maureen038
                                                              Participant

                                                                Nivolumab Induces Durable Response Rates and Overall Survival in Advanced Melanoma

                                                                Contributors: Anna Azvolinsky, PhD, Anne Jacobson, MPH, CCMEP, CMPP

                                                                Treatment with nivolumab, an investigational antibody targeting the programmed cell death protein 1 (PD-1), resulted in rapid and durable responses and prolonged overall survival in patients with metastatic melanoma, according to updated results from an ongoing phase I study. These findings lend additional support to the emerging role of PD-1 targeted immunotherapy in the treatment of melanoma and other solid tumors. 

                                                                Mario Sznol, MD, from the Yale Cancer Center in New Haven, Connecticut, presented results from the phase I trial at the 2013 American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) Annual Meeting.

                                                                Nivolumab joins ipilimumab, an anti-CTLA4 antibody, in the class of immunotherapeutic agents known as immune-checkpoint inhibitors. Both agents boost the antitumor activity of T cells by blocking pathways that normally dampen the T cell response. Ipilimumab is currently approved for the treatment of metastatic melanoma, having shown a response rate of approximately 10% and a 2-year overall survival rate of approximately 24% in pretreated patients.

                                                                The current trial enrolled 107 patients with metastatic melanoma. The median patient age was 61 years (range, 29 to 85 years). At baseline, 36% of patients had elevated lactate dehydrogenase levels, and 78% had visceral metastases. In the heavily pretreated study cohort, 66% of patients had received two or more prior therapies. Among the 25% of patients who had received at least three prior therapies, 65% received chemotherapy, 46% received any interleukin-2 inhibitor, and 5% had received a BRAF inhibitor. Patients were not permitted to have any prior treatment with immunosuppressive agents or T-cell targeted therapies.

                                                                All patients received treatment with IV nivolumab in various dosing cohorts (0.1, 0.3, 1, 3, and 10 mg/kg) every two weeks for up to 96 weeks. Across all dosage groups, the overall response rate was 31%, with 33 of 107 patients achieving complete or partial response. Responses were durable, with a median duration of response of 104 weeks. 

                                                                The kinetics of nivolumab response were atypical. While some patients had a rapid response, as early as eight weeks into therapy, “some patients may have new tumors or growth of existing tumors before developing a meaningful response,” Dr. Sznol said. Patients also continued to respond even after nivolumab was discontinued.

                                                                The most favorable responses were observed in the 3 mg/kg dosing group (n = 17). In this group, the overall response rate was 41%, and the median duration of response was 75 days. The median overall survival for patients in the 3 mg/kg dosing group was 20.3 months. Nivolumab 3 mg/kg every two weeks has been chosen as the preferred dose for additional evaluation in ongoing phase III trials.

                                                                For all patients, the median overall survival was 16.8 months, with 1-year and 2-year survival rates of 62% and 43%, respectively. Median progression-free survival was 3.7 months, with 1-year and 2-year progression-free survival rates of 36% and 27%, respectively.

                                                                Nivolumab was associated with a favorable toxicity profile. After at least one year of follow-up, 58% of patients reported adverse events of any grade with potential immunologic etiologies, including skin toxicity (38%), gastrointestinal symptoms (19%), and endocrinopathies (14%). Five patients (5%) reported any grade 3-4 immunologic toxicity.

                                                                “There is no question that nivolumab appears to have much less in the way of toxicity compared to ipilimumab,” said Dr. Sznol.

                                                                Oncologists are enthusiastic about the phase I results of nivolumab in metastatic melanoma. “These more mature data clearly indicate the high activity and efficacy of this drug and favorable side-effect profile,” said Nikhil Khushalani, MD, associate professor of oncology, at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York, who was not associated with the study. Dr. Khushalani noted that the survival rate with nivolumab is remarkable—nearly double that of the historical data for ipilimumab. Monitoring patients for potentially severe immune-related effects will be crucial, Dr. Khushalani noted.

                                                                Nivolumab is currently under evaluation in three phase III clinical trials in patients with previously treated or treatment-naïve metastatic melanoma. According to Dr. Sznol, nivolumab has the potential for expanded uses and indications. “I think it is wrong to look at nivolumab just as a single agent. I think it can be used in different [tumor types] and the combinations [with other agents] will have lots of promise. This is just the beginning.”

                                                                Reference

                                                                Sznol M et al. “Survival and long-term follow-up of safety and response in patients (pts) with advanced melanoma (MEL) in a phase I trial of nivolumab” ASCO 2013 annual meeting abstract CRA9006.
                                                                http://meetinglibrary.asco.org/content/113607-132

                                                                Maureen038
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Nivolumab Induces Durable Response Rates and Overall Survival in Advanced Melanoma

                                                                  Contributors: Anna Azvolinsky, PhD, Anne Jacobson, MPH, CCMEP, CMPP

                                                                  Treatment with nivolumab, an investigational antibody targeting the programmed cell death protein 1 (PD-1), resulted in rapid and durable responses and prolonged overall survival in patients with metastatic melanoma, according to updated results from an ongoing phase I study. These findings lend additional support to the emerging role of PD-1 targeted immunotherapy in the treatment of melanoma and other solid tumors. 

                                                                  Mario Sznol, MD, from the Yale Cancer Center in New Haven, Connecticut, presented results from the phase I trial at the 2013 American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) Annual Meeting.

                                                                  Nivolumab joins ipilimumab, an anti-CTLA4 antibody, in the class of immunotherapeutic agents known as immune-checkpoint inhibitors. Both agents boost the antitumor activity of T cells by blocking pathways that normally dampen the T cell response. Ipilimumab is currently approved for the treatment of metastatic melanoma, having shown a response rate of approximately 10% and a 2-year overall survival rate of approximately 24% in pretreated patients.

                                                                  The current trial enrolled 107 patients with metastatic melanoma. The median patient age was 61 years (range, 29 to 85 years). At baseline, 36% of patients had elevated lactate dehydrogenase levels, and 78% had visceral metastases. In the heavily pretreated study cohort, 66% of patients had received two or more prior therapies. Among the 25% of patients who had received at least three prior therapies, 65% received chemotherapy, 46% received any interleukin-2 inhibitor, and 5% had received a BRAF inhibitor. Patients were not permitted to have any prior treatment with immunosuppressive agents or T-cell targeted therapies.

                                                                  All patients received treatment with IV nivolumab in various dosing cohorts (0.1, 0.3, 1, 3, and 10 mg/kg) every two weeks for up to 96 weeks. Across all dosage groups, the overall response rate was 31%, with 33 of 107 patients achieving complete or partial response. Responses were durable, with a median duration of response of 104 weeks. 

                                                                  The kinetics of nivolumab response were atypical. While some patients had a rapid response, as early as eight weeks into therapy, “some patients may have new tumors or growth of existing tumors before developing a meaningful response,” Dr. Sznol said. Patients also continued to respond even after nivolumab was discontinued.

                                                                  The most favorable responses were observed in the 3 mg/kg dosing group (n = 17). In this group, the overall response rate was 41%, and the median duration of response was 75 days. The median overall survival for patients in the 3 mg/kg dosing group was 20.3 months. Nivolumab 3 mg/kg every two weeks has been chosen as the preferred dose for additional evaluation in ongoing phase III trials.

                                                                  For all patients, the median overall survival was 16.8 months, with 1-year and 2-year survival rates of 62% and 43%, respectively. Median progression-free survival was 3.7 months, with 1-year and 2-year progression-free survival rates of 36% and 27%, respectively.

                                                                  Nivolumab was associated with a favorable toxicity profile. After at least one year of follow-up, 58% of patients reported adverse events of any grade with potential immunologic etiologies, including skin toxicity (38%), gastrointestinal symptoms (19%), and endocrinopathies (14%). Five patients (5%) reported any grade 3-4 immunologic toxicity.

                                                                  “There is no question that nivolumab appears to have much less in the way of toxicity compared to ipilimumab,” said Dr. Sznol.

                                                                  Oncologists are enthusiastic about the phase I results of nivolumab in metastatic melanoma. “These more mature data clearly indicate the high activity and efficacy of this drug and favorable side-effect profile,” said Nikhil Khushalani, MD, associate professor of oncology, at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York, who was not associated with the study. Dr. Khushalani noted that the survival rate with nivolumab is remarkable—nearly double that of the historical data for ipilimumab. Monitoring patients for potentially severe immune-related effects will be crucial, Dr. Khushalani noted.

                                                                  Nivolumab is currently under evaluation in three phase III clinical trials in patients with previously treated or treatment-naïve metastatic melanoma. According to Dr. Sznol, nivolumab has the potential for expanded uses and indications. “I think it is wrong to look at nivolumab just as a single agent. I think it can be used in different [tumor types] and the combinations [with other agents] will have lots of promise. This is just the beginning.”

                                                                  Reference

                                                                  Sznol M et al. “Survival and long-term follow-up of safety and response in patients (pts) with advanced melanoma (MEL) in a phase I trial of nivolumab” ASCO 2013 annual meeting abstract CRA9006.
                                                                  http://meetinglibrary.asco.org/content/113607-132

                                                                  Maureen038
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Nivolumab Induces Durable Response Rates and Overall Survival in Advanced Melanoma

                                                                    Contributors: Anna Azvolinsky, PhD, Anne Jacobson, MPH, CCMEP, CMPP

                                                                    Treatment with nivolumab, an investigational antibody targeting the programmed cell death protein 1 (PD-1), resulted in rapid and durable responses and prolonged overall survival in patients with metastatic melanoma, according to updated results from an ongoing phase I study. These findings lend additional support to the emerging role of PD-1 targeted immunotherapy in the treatment of melanoma and other solid tumors. 

                                                                    Mario Sznol, MD, from the Yale Cancer Center in New Haven, Connecticut, presented results from the phase I trial at the 2013 American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) Annual Meeting.

                                                                    Nivolumab joins ipilimumab, an anti-CTLA4 antibody, in the class of immunotherapeutic agents known as immune-checkpoint inhibitors. Both agents boost the antitumor activity of T cells by blocking pathways that normally dampen the T cell response. Ipilimumab is currently approved for the treatment of metastatic melanoma, having shown a response rate of approximately 10% and a 2-year overall survival rate of approximately 24% in pretreated patients.

                                                                    The current trial enrolled 107 patients with metastatic melanoma. The median patient age was 61 years (range, 29 to 85 years). At baseline, 36% of patients had elevated lactate dehydrogenase levels, and 78% had visceral metastases. In the heavily pretreated study cohort, 66% of patients had received two or more prior therapies. Among the 25% of patients who had received at least three prior therapies, 65% received chemotherapy, 46% received any interleukin-2 inhibitor, and 5% had received a BRAF inhibitor. Patients were not permitted to have any prior treatment with immunosuppressive agents or T-cell targeted therapies.

                                                                    All patients received treatment with IV nivolumab in various dosing cohorts (0.1, 0.3, 1, 3, and 10 mg/kg) every two weeks for up to 96 weeks. Across all dosage groups, the overall response rate was 31%, with 33 of 107 patients achieving complete or partial response. Responses were durable, with a median duration of response of 104 weeks. 

                                                                    The kinetics of nivolumab response were atypical. While some patients had a rapid response, as early as eight weeks into therapy, “some patients may have new tumors or growth of existing tumors before developing a meaningful response,” Dr. Sznol said. Patients also continued to respond even after nivolumab was discontinued.

                                                                    The most favorable responses were observed in the 3 mg/kg dosing group (n = 17). In this group, the overall response rate was 41%, and the median duration of response was 75 days. The median overall survival for patients in the 3 mg/kg dosing group was 20.3 months. Nivolumab 3 mg/kg every two weeks has been chosen as the preferred dose for additional evaluation in ongoing phase III trials.

                                                                    For all patients, the median overall survival was 16.8 months, with 1-year and 2-year survival rates of 62% and 43%, respectively. Median progression-free survival was 3.7 months, with 1-year and 2-year progression-free survival rates of 36% and 27%, respectively.

                                                                    Nivolumab was associated with a favorable toxicity profile. After at least one year of follow-up, 58% of patients reported adverse events of any grade with potential immunologic etiologies, including skin toxicity (38%), gastrointestinal symptoms (19%), and endocrinopathies (14%). Five patients (5%) reported any grade 3-4 immunologic toxicity.

                                                                    “There is no question that nivolumab appears to have much less in the way of toxicity compared to ipilimumab,” said Dr. Sznol.

                                                                    Oncologists are enthusiastic about the phase I results of nivolumab in metastatic melanoma. “These more mature data clearly indicate the high activity and efficacy of this drug and favorable side-effect profile,” said Nikhil Khushalani, MD, associate professor of oncology, at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York, who was not associated with the study. Dr. Khushalani noted that the survival rate with nivolumab is remarkable—nearly double that of the historical data for ipilimumab. Monitoring patients for potentially severe immune-related effects will be crucial, Dr. Khushalani noted.

                                                                    Nivolumab is currently under evaluation in three phase III clinical trials in patients with previously treated or treatment-naïve metastatic melanoma. According to Dr. Sznol, nivolumab has the potential for expanded uses and indications. “I think it is wrong to look at nivolumab just as a single agent. I think it can be used in different [tumor types] and the combinations [with other agents] will have lots of promise. This is just the beginning.”

                                                                    Reference

                                                                    Sznol M et al. “Survival and long-term follow-up of safety and response in patients (pts) with advanced melanoma (MEL) in a phase I trial of nivolumab” ASCO 2013 annual meeting abstract CRA9006.
                                                                    http://meetinglibrary.asco.org/content/113607-132

                                                                    Maureen038
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Thank you to Kylez for posting this paper on MIF!!

                                                                      Maureen

                                                                      Maureen038
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Thank you to Kylez for posting this paper on MIF!!

                                                                        Maureen

                                                                        Maureen038
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Thank you to Kylez for posting this paper on MIF!!

                                                                          Maureen

                                                                          Maureen038
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Brian,

                                                                               I'm not sure if I'm going to explain this right, but Dr. Kirkwood said its possible that the one tumor not responding doesn't have the PD1 receptor. Dr. Sznol at Yale wrote a paper on nivolumbab that sometimes it can progress like ipi then get better or it can have mixed results. You are excellent at finding papers so if you do, can you post it? It would be hopeful to all patients like my husband who are on PD1 drugs. In fact, we used the paper to argue to stay on the trial. Bill is feeling great and working full time. At the next scan( 6 weeks) we will decide whether to have VATS surgery or radiation on the one lung nodule. His anemia is fine. His hemoglobin has been in the 11-12 range for four months. Thank you Brian and Joe for all you do for this site!! You provide very important information in a very encouraging and caring way!

                                                                            Maureen

                                                                            BrianP
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Maureen,

                                                                              Thanks for pointing that out. That really is a baffling result isn't it. Does Dr. Kirkwood have any theories as to why that might be occurring. My guess is that the high mutation rate of melanoma causes genetic differences even in melanomas that have the same primary. I have been reading T.J.'s updates on his latest setback with the adrenal gland tumor. I actually corresponded with him via Facebook a couple days ago and not surprisingly he is very upbeat about his circumstances.

                                                                              Do you all have a plan for the lung nodule? I'm happy to hear eveything else is going well. How is your husband's anemia and is he feeling better?

                                                                              Brian

                                                                              Maureen038
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Brian,

                                                                                   There's another category of patients too. My husband is also on the ipi/nivo trial, but one lung nodule is not responding to the PD1, while the other eight have been stable for four months.My husband has had 50 percent shrinkage. Dr. Kirkwood said that that has happened to other patients too. Patient#1in Philly has the same issue of PD1 working on most tumors while not working on others. I also believe that his adernal gland has to be removed and it was a new tumor. Immunotherapy is going to bring about many categories of patients and hopefully many that are stable or NED.

                                                                                Maureen

                                                                                BrianP
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Juan,

                                                                                  My trial is a sequential use of Ipi and Nivo.  While on Nivo which is the majority of the trial I have had virtually no side effects.  While on Ipi I developed hypophysitis which has resulted in permanent supplementation of cortisol and testosterone due to damage to my pituitary gland.  I think the side effects resulting from the concurrent use of ipi and nivo have been a little more severe and a little more frequent than in the trial with sequential use, although the results seem to be better with the concurrent treatment.

                                                                                  Brian

                                                                                  BrianP
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Juan,

                                                                                    My trial is a sequential use of Ipi and Nivo.  While on Nivo which is the majority of the trial I have had virtually no side effects.  While on Ipi I developed hypophysitis which has resulted in permanent supplementation of cortisol and testosterone due to damage to my pituitary gland.  I think the side effects resulting from the concurrent use of ipi and nivo have been a little more severe and a little more frequent than in the trial with sequential use, although the results seem to be better with the concurrent treatment.

                                                                                    Brian

                                                                                    BrianP
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Juan,

                                                                                      My trial is a sequential use of Ipi and Nivo.  While on Nivo which is the majority of the trial I have had virtually no side effects.  While on Ipi I developed hypophysitis which has resulted in permanent supplementation of cortisol and testosterone due to damage to my pituitary gland.  I think the side effects resulting from the concurrent use of ipi and nivo have been a little more severe and a little more frequent than in the trial with sequential use, although the results seem to be better with the concurrent treatment.

                                                                                      Brian

                                                                                    jualonso
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Hi Brian,

                                                                                      Im agree with you is better living with stable disease than not living , of course the life quality has to be good enough.

                                                                                      You said you are in a clinical trial taking ipi and nivo, i heard that side effect were bad, how are with you?

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Juan

                                                                                      ed williams
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        Thanks Brian for the great topic!!! I am 6 months into the BMS trial of Ipi and Nivolumab Monotherapy or both drugs together. I know that there are around 1000 other people that are on this trial. I often wonder how others are doing? The twist we have is not knowing which of the 3 arms we are on. There is a 66% chance of getting the PD-1 drug nivolumab. I had two tumors in my right lung that have both reduced in size on the first scan at 12 weeks. What I have learned is that Nivolumab tends to work quickly, by the 8th week most scan show reductions when the drug is working . I feel extremly luck to have gotten on to the trial and the fact that it is working with very little side effects, almost makes me feel guilty. I also had a really rare thing happen in the fall of 2013 where my main lung tumor went from 3.5 by 3 cm down to 1.5 by 1.2cm on its own. My oncologist called it a spontaneous remission, it only happens about 1 in 1000 000 with Melanoma. I am now considered to be a partial responder according to the trial co-ordinator at the Ottawa hospital. The idea of  living with melanoma that is stable but not NED is not that hard for me personally. I have a 5 year old and the longer I can be stable the better!!!!! Ed 

                                                                                        ed williams
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          Thanks Brian for the great topic!!! I am 6 months into the BMS trial of Ipi and Nivolumab Monotherapy or both drugs together. I know that there are around 1000 other people that are on this trial. I often wonder how others are doing? The twist we have is not knowing which of the 3 arms we are on. There is a 66% chance of getting the PD-1 drug nivolumab. I had two tumors in my right lung that have both reduced in size on the first scan at 12 weeks. What I have learned is that Nivolumab tends to work quickly, by the 8th week most scan show reductions when the drug is working . I feel extremly luck to have gotten on to the trial and the fact that it is working with very little side effects, almost makes me feel guilty. I also had a really rare thing happen in the fall of 2013 where my main lung tumor went from 3.5 by 3 cm down to 1.5 by 1.2cm on its own. My oncologist called it a spontaneous remission, it only happens about 1 in 1000 000 with Melanoma. I am now considered to be a partial responder according to the trial co-ordinator at the Ottawa hospital. The idea of  living with melanoma that is stable but not NED is not that hard for me personally. I have a 5 year old and the longer I can be stable the better!!!!! Ed 

                                                                                            BrianP
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              Ed,

                                                                                              I hear you brother.  I have a 4 and 5 year old and everyday I am stable is another day I get to be their Dad! 

                                                                                              Glad you are doing well on the trial.

                                                                                              Brian

                                                                                              BrianP
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                Ed,

                                                                                                I hear you brother.  I have a 4 and 5 year old and everyday I am stable is another day I get to be their Dad! 

                                                                                                Glad you are doing well on the trial.

                                                                                                Brian

                                                                                                dvd
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  Interesting topic – I was entered into the BMS Ipi-Nivo trial in January after advancing to Stage  4 in November. My tumors (scalp, neck, lungs, vertebrae, legs) were very aggressive and growing/spreading rapidly. CT/PET after 12 weeks on the trial came back with no evidence of disease. My liver enzymes went up at that point and made me ineligible for continuation in the trial, but scans every 6 weeks since have been clear. I asked if my treatment could be unblinded, to see if I received Nivo, but this was not allowed. My oncologist is convinced I got Nivo since he had never seen such a rapid and complete response, especially with the tumor load I had.

                                                                                                  Now it's watch and wait, trying not to be constantly looking over my shoulder and thinking every little thing I feel is another met.

                                                                                                  I consider myself extremely lucky that I responded the way I did.

                                                                                                  dvd
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    Interesting topic – I was entered into the BMS Ipi-Nivo trial in January after advancing to Stage  4 in November. My tumors (scalp, neck, lungs, vertebrae, legs) were very aggressive and growing/spreading rapidly. CT/PET after 12 weeks on the trial came back with no evidence of disease. My liver enzymes went up at that point and made me ineligible for continuation in the trial, but scans every 6 weeks since have been clear. I asked if my treatment could be unblinded, to see if I received Nivo, but this was not allowed. My oncologist is convinced I got Nivo since he had never seen such a rapid and complete response, especially with the tumor load I had.

                                                                                                    Now it's watch and wait, trying not to be constantly looking over my shoulder and thinking every little thing I feel is another met.

                                                                                                    I consider myself extremely lucky that I responded the way I did.

                                                                                                    BrianP
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Holy Smokes dvd!  What an awesome response.  Even though it's only been a short while the fact that you are staying NED certainly gives credence and hope to us stablers and NEDers that maybe our immune system can handle it on its own.  That's ashame they won't unblind you.  Are they saying sometime in the future they will?  That obviously could be real important information to know.

                                                                                                      Brian

                                                                                                      BrianP
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        Holy Smokes dvd!  What an awesome response.  Even though it's only been a short while the fact that you are staying NED certainly gives credence and hope to us stablers and NEDers that maybe our immune system can handle it on its own.  That's ashame they won't unblind you.  Are they saying sometime in the future they will?  That obviously could be real important information to know.

                                                                                                        Brian

                                                                                                        BrianP
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          Holy Smokes dvd!  What an awesome response.  Even though it's only been a short while the fact that you are staying NED certainly gives credence and hope to us stablers and NEDers that maybe our immune system can handle it on its own.  That's ashame they won't unblind you.  Are they saying sometime in the future they will?  That obviously could be real important information to know.

                                                                                                          Brian

                                                                                                          dvd
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            They will unblind me if I recurr and need further treatment. However, I cannot get further treatment through the trial.

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            dvd
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              They will unblind me if I recurr and need further treatment. However, I cannot get further treatment through the trial.

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              dvd
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                They will unblind me if I recurr and need further treatment. However, I cannot get further treatment through the trial.

                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                dvd
                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                  Interesting topic – I was entered into the BMS Ipi-Nivo trial in January after advancing to Stage  4 in November. My tumors (scalp, neck, lungs, vertebrae, legs) were very aggressive and growing/spreading rapidly. CT/PET after 12 weeks on the trial came back with no evidence of disease. My liver enzymes went up at that point and made me ineligible for continuation in the trial, but scans every 6 weeks since have been clear. I asked if my treatment could be unblinded, to see if I received Nivo, but this was not allowed. My oncologist is convinced I got Nivo since he had never seen such a rapid and complete response, especially with the tumor load I had.

                                                                                                                  Now it's watch and wait, trying not to be constantly looking over my shoulder and thinking every little thing I feel is another met.

                                                                                                                  I consider myself extremely lucky that I responded the way I did.

                                                                                                                  G-Samsa
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    My trial arm is the 1mg Ipi – 3 mg Nivo ( I believe this is the arm that had the second best response rate in the  original trial). No side effects worth mentioning ( I don't  consider the itching a side effect these days) except for one random trip to the emergency room ( Ipi reminding me who is boss).  I have been spot- welded with radiation to the femur and pelvis, which, I have been told, may have an additional synergistic effect with the immunotherapy . ( studies have proven this, but  you may need the odd resistant tumor to get the treatment while in the controlled trial environment)  I still limp a bit ( also not a side effect I care to complain about) For those in immunotherapy– induced stability,  my doctors believe that based on the studies to date:

                                                                                                                     1) once the train has left the station — and you are responding,  it's unlikely you will progress back to the  level of tumor burden prior to treatment ( This is true for the 53 in the original trial– 17 still chugging along in various degrees of tumor reduction two years out).  Hence the discussion of chronic survival.

                                                                                                                      2) based on past experience with Ipi– if you are a responder and your body needs a reminder, reintroduction of the Ipi will likely provide the same response. My doctor has patients going on seven years with Ipi alone– with adjustments like these.  Not a picnic but….

                                                                                                                    3) I heard one doctor theorize that it is the Ipi component of the treatment that imparts durability ( don't know where that comes from) 

                                                                                                                    In terms of spot welding–I used to own a Dodge Dart  with steering I likened to  hearding  cattle— perhaps I've become the vehicle, requiring constant adjustment. It would be nice to last as long!

                                                                                                                    G-Samsa
                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                      My trial arm is the 1mg Ipi – 3 mg Nivo ( I believe this is the arm that had the second best response rate in the  original trial). No side effects worth mentioning ( I don't  consider the itching a side effect these days) except for one random trip to the emergency room ( Ipi reminding me who is boss).  I have been spot- welded with radiation to the femur and pelvis, which, I have been told, may have an additional synergistic effect with the immunotherapy . ( studies have proven this, but  you may need the odd resistant tumor to get the treatment while in the controlled trial environment)  I still limp a bit ( also not a side effect I care to complain about) For those in immunotherapy– induced stability,  my doctors believe that based on the studies to date:

                                                                                                                       1) once the train has left the station — and you are responding,  it's unlikely you will progress back to the  level of tumor burden prior to treatment ( This is true for the 53 in the original trial– 17 still chugging along in various degrees of tumor reduction two years out).  Hence the discussion of chronic survival.

                                                                                                                        2) based on past experience with Ipi– if you are a responder and your body needs a reminder, reintroduction of the Ipi will likely provide the same response. My doctor has patients going on seven years with Ipi alone– with adjustments like these.  Not a picnic but….

                                                                                                                      3) I heard one doctor theorize that it is the Ipi component of the treatment that imparts durability ( don't know where that comes from) 

                                                                                                                      In terms of spot welding–I used to own a Dodge Dart  with steering I likened to  hearding  cattle— perhaps I've become the vehicle, requiring constant adjustment. It would be nice to last as long!

                                                                                                                      G-Samsa
                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                        My trial arm is the 1mg Ipi – 3 mg Nivo ( I believe this is the arm that had the second best response rate in the  original trial). No side effects worth mentioning ( I don't  consider the itching a side effect these days) except for one random trip to the emergency room ( Ipi reminding me who is boss).  I have been spot- welded with radiation to the femur and pelvis, which, I have been told, may have an additional synergistic effect with the immunotherapy . ( studies have proven this, but  you may need the odd resistant tumor to get the treatment while in the controlled trial environment)  I still limp a bit ( also not a side effect I care to complain about) For those in immunotherapy– induced stability,  my doctors believe that based on the studies to date:

                                                                                                                         1) once the train has left the station — and you are responding,  it's unlikely you will progress back to the  level of tumor burden prior to treatment ( This is true for the 53 in the original trial– 17 still chugging along in various degrees of tumor reduction two years out).  Hence the discussion of chronic survival.

                                                                                                                          2) based on past experience with Ipi– if you are a responder and your body needs a reminder, reintroduction of the Ipi will likely provide the same response. My doctor has patients going on seven years with Ipi alone– with adjustments like these.  Not a picnic but….

                                                                                                                        3) I heard one doctor theorize that it is the Ipi component of the treatment that imparts durability ( don't know where that comes from) 

                                                                                                                        In terms of spot welding–I used to own a Dodge Dart  with steering I likened to  hearding  cattle— perhaps I've become the vehicle, requiring constant adjustment. It would be nice to last as long!

                                                                                                                        BrianP
                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                          Ed,

                                                                                                                          I hear you brother.  I have a 4 and 5 year old and everyday I am stable is another day I get to be their Dad! 

                                                                                                                          Glad you are doing well on the trial.

                                                                                                                          Brian

                                                                                                                        ed williams
                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                          Thanks Brian for the great topic!!! I am 6 months into the BMS trial of Ipi and Nivolumab Monotherapy or both drugs together. I know that there are around 1000 other people that are on this trial. I often wonder how others are doing? The twist we have is not knowing which of the 3 arms we are on. There is a 66% chance of getting the PD-1 drug nivolumab. I had two tumors in my right lung that have both reduced in size on the first scan at 12 weeks. What I have learned is that Nivolumab tends to work quickly, by the 8th week most scan show reductions when the drug is working . I feel extremly luck to have gotten on to the trial and the fact that it is working with very little side effects, almost makes me feel guilty. I also had a really rare thing happen in the fall of 2013 where my main lung tumor went from 3.5 by 3 cm down to 1.5 by 1.2cm on its own. My oncologist called it a spontaneous remission, it only happens about 1 in 1000 000 with Melanoma. I am now considered to be a partial responder according to the trial co-ordinator at the Ottawa hospital. The idea of  living with melanoma that is stable but not NED is not that hard for me personally. I have a 5 year old and the longer I can be stable the better!!!!! Ed 

                                                                                                                          RJoeyB
                                                                                                                          Participant
                                                                                                                            I've been meaning to get back to the original topic of this post, living with stable disease, for a few days — thanks Brian for getting it started — it's been something on my mind a lot lately, this odd place of being Stage IV, not NED, probably not NED on the near horizon, but stable, and trying to live a semi-normal, but in reality different life because so much changes in 4 years of fighting this disease. Tthere are pieces of my melanoma history sort of scattered through posts here over the past couple of months, my profile has the hard facts, capturing the timing and history in once place is difficult to do without oversimplifying, but I’ll do my best.
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                            When I was diagnosed in the summer of 2010 and was found to be Stage IV within 2 weeks, I was 39, happily married, happy at work and finding career success, two great teenage daughters.  I did IL-2 as a monotherapy and TIL cell therapy (with more supportive IL-2) between 2010-11 as part of a trial at NIH, and had a partial response.  Despite being Stage IV from the start, I can say I've been fortunate to have never had very high tumor burden.  Although I've had mets to (in no particular order) my brain, lung, small intestine, humerus (shoulder bone), three of the four long bones in both legs, chest wall, and soft tissue in my temple, I've never had more than 3 or 4 known, active mets at once, usually one or two at a time.  Whether that's just been the nature of my disease or the early immunotherapy and continued action of an activated immune system, we'll never know, but we'll take it.  2011 through early 2013 were spent dealing with individual mets, many in bone, as they came, successfully using surgery and radiation where appropriate.  Then in early 2013 I had a single, moderate-sized (2.5-cm) brain met, that while it felt like a huge setback, went as well as it could have gone from a treatment perspective (craniotomy and a single CyberKnife session).  We also chose to do a course of Yervoy in the spring of 2013.  At the end of 2013, I had another lone met in my lung, asymptomatic and slow growing, only 1.3-cm by the time we treated it.  Going back on PET scans for a year, it had been there growing slowly.  I don't view it as something "they missed" — just knowing the nature of PET scans, it was growing so slowly that it could have been anything.  The point is that it was there from at least the start of 2013.  We had it successfully radiated with two weeks of SBRT just this past February, no tangible sign of it on my most recent PET.  Then in April, what was thought to be a new met appeared in my left tibia (shin bone) along with something concerning in my small intestine.  Our first reaction was, "Another bone met?  When is this going to stop?"  We were less concerned about the small intestine, simply because since my partial small bowel resection (that's where the tumor used for my TIL cell harvest came from), we've had several issues of transient GI inflammation light up on PET.  Given my status of having melanoma and having had a met there before, though, anything that shows up in the area we have to start with the assumption that it's melanoma and do some level of further investigation, so I’ve also been scoped at three different points with upper and lower double-balloon enteroscopes.  After seeing my radiation oncologist, it turned out the "new" bone met in the leg was at the site within the first leg bone met I'd had radiated almost three years earlier.  Since they don't like to radiate something twice, my orthopedic oncologist successfully excised it and filled it with bone cement, it's about an inch by two inches.  I had something similar done to my femur two years ago, with success, and the bone is like new, just filled in with bone cement   Without trying to be negative, my radiation oncologist basically told me that until recently, most patients who received radiation to bone mets were able to achieve local palliation and some control of those mets, but often didn't survive much longer due to other disease sites.  The pathology from the surgery showed that 90% of what was excised was necrotic, dead, melanoma tissue — my orthopedic oncologist said it was completely black and the pathology showed it mostly dead due to the radiation three years prior.  The surgery for my shoulder, done before TIL, in 2010, was much more “radical”.  I have a 10 inch titanium rod that replaced the top half of the humerus in my left arm, including the shoulder “head”.  I have limited use of the arm, but it is functional (it looks normal if a bit atrophied, I call it my T-Rex arm).  There's a time in the not-too-distant past where I probably would have lost the arm, but there has been much progress in orthopedic oncology in limb-sparing procedures.  There's another area in my left tibia that was radiated back in 2011 that still lights on PET but has always been stable.  Whether that's "contained" disease or continuing inflammation doesn't really matter for now.  Since June, we've been dealing with what now appears to be radiation necrosis at the site of my brain tumor.  It appears to be resolving and thankfully doesn't appear to be new tumor growth.  We’re in the process now of continued close monitoring of it as the swelling reduces, but feel good about it (or will once I’m off these steroids).  
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                            When I take a step back and look at my four years at Stage IV and try to pull back the weeds a little, I find myself in this really odd place disease-wise.  It's been a constant battle with a lot of the heavy-lifting upfront with a good response, followed by a couple of years of successfully but continually putting out fires one or two at a time.  My doctors and I all strongly believe that the immunotherapies, primarily TIL, have slowed my disease enough that we've been able to handle the newer mets "traditionally", while keeping the new therapies, anti-PD-1, BRAF/MEK (I'm BRAF-positive), in our proverbial back pocket for such a time where a more systemic approach might be needed.  The effects of an immune system “educated” by TIL may still be at work to some degree.  Since the brain tumor, from the start of 2013 until now, it feels like it's been more of the same, putting out fires every three or four months.  But the fact is that the past 18 months for me have been dealing with complications of existing mets, not new disease.
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                            Whether we call it stable disease or some kind of pseudo-NED, the distinction might mean something from a prognosis perspective, but from a “living life” perspective, the impact is the same.  I've continued to work throughout, although there has been a big, but necessary, impact to my career.  We managed to see our first daughter off to college two years ago where she's thriving and are starting the process with our second daughter now.  My wife has been by my side throughout, living through everything I have, except for the actual treatments themselves.  Life is forever altered and I admittedly struggle with acceptance of that.  There’s often a feeling of being “stuck”, not being able get momentum with anything because of the ever-present melanoma threat of new mets or complications, not being able to put cancer in the rearview mirror, no five-year “all clear” mark.  Unfortunately, even for true NED patients, I know that's hard because of the nature of melanoma.  Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be where we’re at than the alternative, I am thankful — I obviously wish we never had to face this at all — and am able to be hopeful, sometimes at least.
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                            I don't know if I have a main point here, other than continuing the conversation about this topic that's really been on my mind lately.  It may be commentary on an emerging path that some of us will follow, that of a new kind of survivorship and living with a very dangerous, but in some aspects, chronic disease.  For others — friends, family, coworkers — who often have a hard time understanding the cancer fight in general, this is completely confounding.  It's sometimes sounds like, “He’s all better”, or, “He’s sick”, and if someone looks O.K., then they must be fine, not understanding what it's like to wake up every day and know that I still have Stage IV cancer.  There's perhaps an element of me waxing a little extra philosophical here while I'm on the steroid (I’ve noticed I tend to do) which has made me hesitate a bit about posting this. But I'm guessing that I'm not completely alone in this scenario and maybe someone else can find some encouragement in knowing that there are others who find themselves in a similar place.
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                            Joe
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                            RJoeyB
                                                                                                                            Participant
                                                                                                                              I've been meaning to get back to the original topic of this post, living with stable disease, for a few days — thanks Brian for getting it started — it's been something on my mind a lot lately, this odd place of being Stage IV, not NED, probably not NED on the near horizon, but stable, and trying to live a semi-normal, but in reality different life because so much changes in 4 years of fighting this disease. Tthere are pieces of my melanoma history sort of scattered through posts here over the past couple of months, my profile has the hard facts, capturing the timing and history in once place is difficult to do without oversimplifying, but I’ll do my best.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              When I was diagnosed in the summer of 2010 and was found to be Stage IV within 2 weeks, I was 39, happily married, happy at work and finding career success, two great teenage daughters.  I did IL-2 as a monotherapy and TIL cell therapy (with more supportive IL-2) between 2010-11 as part of a trial at NIH, and had a partial response.  Despite being Stage IV from the start, I can say I've been fortunate to have never had very high tumor burden.  Although I've had mets to (in no particular order) my brain, lung, small intestine, humerus (shoulder bone), three of the four long bones in both legs, chest wall, and soft tissue in my temple, I've never had more than 3 or 4 known, active mets at once, usually one or two at a time.  Whether that's just been the nature of my disease or the early immunotherapy and continued action of an activated immune system, we'll never know, but we'll take it.  2011 through early 2013 were spent dealing with individual mets, many in bone, as they came, successfully using surgery and radiation where appropriate.  Then in early 2013 I had a single, moderate-sized (2.5-cm) brain met, that while it felt like a huge setback, went as well as it could have gone from a treatment perspective (craniotomy and a single CyberKnife session).  We also chose to do a course of Yervoy in the spring of 2013.  At the end of 2013, I had another lone met in my lung, asymptomatic and slow growing, only 1.3-cm by the time we treated it.  Going back on PET scans for a year, it had been there growing slowly.  I don't view it as something "they missed" — just knowing the nature of PET scans, it was growing so slowly that it could have been anything.  The point is that it was there from at least the start of 2013.  We had it successfully radiated with two weeks of SBRT just this past February, no tangible sign of it on my most recent PET.  Then in April, what was thought to be a new met appeared in my left tibia (shin bone) along with something concerning in my small intestine.  Our first reaction was, "Another bone met?  When is this going to stop?"  We were less concerned about the small intestine, simply because since my partial small bowel resection (that's where the tumor used for my TIL cell harvest came from), we've had several issues of transient GI inflammation light up on PET.  Given my status of having melanoma and having had a met there before, though, anything that shows up in the area we have to start with the assumption that it's melanoma and do some level of further investigation, so I’ve also been scoped at three different points with upper and lower double-balloon enteroscopes.  After seeing my radiation oncologist, it turned out the "new" bone met in the leg was at the site within the first leg bone met I'd had radiated almost three years earlier.  Since they don't like to radiate something twice, my orthopedic oncologist successfully excised it and filled it with bone cement, it's about an inch by two inches.  I had something similar done to my femur two years ago, with success, and the bone is like new, just filled in with bone cement   Without trying to be negative, my radiation oncologist basically told me that until recently, most patients who received radiation to bone mets were able to achieve local palliation and some control of those mets, but often didn't survive much longer due to other disease sites.  The pathology from the surgery showed that 90% of what was excised was necrotic, dead, melanoma tissue — my orthopedic oncologist said it was completely black and the pathology showed it mostly dead due to the radiation three years prior.  The surgery for my shoulder, done before TIL, in 2010, was much more “radical”.  I have a 10 inch titanium rod that replaced the top half of the humerus in my left arm, including the shoulder “head”.  I have limited use of the arm, but it is functional (it looks normal if a bit atrophied, I call it my T-Rex arm).  There's a time in the not-too-distant past where I probably would have lost the arm, but there has been much progress in orthopedic oncology in limb-sparing procedures.  There's another area in my left tibia that was radiated back in 2011 that still lights on PET but has always been stable.  Whether that's "contained" disease or continuing inflammation doesn't really matter for now.  Since June, we've been dealing with what now appears to be radiation necrosis at the site of my brain tumor.  It appears to be resolving and thankfully doesn't appear to be new tumor growth.  We’re in the process now of continued close monitoring of it as the swelling reduces, but feel good about it (or will once I’m off these steroids).  
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              When I take a step back and look at my four years at Stage IV and try to pull back the weeds a little, I find myself in this really odd place disease-wise.  It's been a constant battle with a lot of the heavy-lifting upfront with a good response, followed by a couple of years of successfully but continually putting out fires one or two at a time.  My doctors and I all strongly believe that the immunotherapies, primarily TIL, have slowed my disease enough that we've been able to handle the newer mets "traditionally", while keeping the new therapies, anti-PD-1, BRAF/MEK (I'm BRAF-positive), in our proverbial back pocket for such a time where a more systemic approach might be needed.  The effects of an immune system “educated” by TIL may still be at work to some degree.  Since the brain tumor, from the start of 2013 until now, it feels like it's been more of the same, putting out fires every three or four months.  But the fact is that the past 18 months for me have been dealing with complications of existing mets, not new disease.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Whether we call it stable disease or some kind of pseudo-NED, the distinction might mean something from a prognosis perspective, but from a “living life” perspective, the impact is the same.  I've continued to work throughout, although there has been a big, but necessary, impact to my career.  We managed to see our first daughter off to college two years ago where she's thriving and are starting the process with our second daughter now.  My wife has been by my side throughout, living through everything I have, except for the actual treatments themselves.  Life is forever altered and I admittedly struggle with acceptance of that.  There’s often a feeling of being “stuck”, not being able get momentum with anything because of the ever-present melanoma threat of new mets or complications, not being able to put cancer in the rearview mirror, no five-year “all clear” mark.  Unfortunately, even for true NED patients, I know that's hard because of the nature of melanoma.  Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be where we’re at than the alternative, I am thankful — I obviously wish we never had to face this at all — and am able to be hopeful, sometimes at least.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              I don't know if I have a main point here, other than continuing the conversation about this topic that's really been on my mind lately.  It may be commentary on an emerging path that some of us will follow, that of a new kind of survivorship and living with a very dangerous, but in some aspects, chronic disease.  For others — friends, family, coworkers — who often have a hard time understanding the cancer fight in general, this is completely confounding.  It's sometimes sounds like, “He’s all better”, or, “He’s sick”, and if someone looks O.K., then they must be fine, not understanding what it's like to wake up every day and know that I still have Stage IV cancer.  There's perhaps an element of me waxing a little extra philosophical here while I'm on the steroid (I’ve noticed I tend to do) which has made me hesitate a bit about posting this. But I'm guessing that I'm not completely alone in this scenario and maybe someone else can find some encouragement in knowing that there are others who find themselves in a similar place.
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              Joe
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              RJoeyB
                                                                                                                              Participant
                                                                                                                                I've been meaning to get back to the original topic of this post, living with stable disease, for a few days — thanks Brian for getting it started — it's been something on my mind a lot lately, this odd place of being Stage IV, not NED, probably not NED on the near horizon, but stable, and trying to live a semi-normal, but in reality different life because so much changes in 4 years of fighting this disease. Tthere are pieces of my melanoma history sort of scattered through posts here over the past couple of months, my profile has the hard facts, capturing the timing and history in once place is difficult to do without oversimplifying, but I’ll do my best.
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                When I was diagnosed in the summer of 2010 and was found to be Stage IV within 2 weeks, I was 39, happily married, happy at work and finding career success, two great teenage daughters.  I did IL-2 as a monotherapy and TIL cell therapy (with more supportive IL-2) between 2010-11 as part of a trial at NIH, and had a partial response.  Despite being Stage IV from the start, I can say I've been fortunate to have never had very high tumor burden.  Although I've had mets to (in no particular order) my brain, lung, small intestine, humerus (shoulder bone), three of the four long bones in both legs, chest wall, and soft tissue in my temple, I've never had more than 3 or 4 known, active mets at once, usually one or two at a time.  Whether that's just been the nature of my disease or the early immunotherapy and continued action of an activated immune system, we'll never know, but we'll take it.  2011 through early 2013 were spent dealing with individual mets, many in bone, as they came, successfully using surgery and radiation where appropriate.  Then in early 2013 I had a single, moderate-sized (2.5-cm) brain met, that while it felt like a huge setback, went as well as it could have gone from a treatment perspective (craniotomy and a single CyberKnife session).  We also chose to do a course of Yervoy in the spring of 2013.  At the end of 2013, I had another lone met in my lung, asymptomatic and slow growing, only 1.3-cm by the time we treated it.  Going back on PET scans for a year, it had been there growing slowly.  I don't view it as something "they missed" — just knowing the nature of PET scans, it was growing so slowly that it could have been anything.  The point is that it was there from at least the start of 2013.  We had it successfully radiated with two weeks of SBRT just this past February, no tangible sign of it on my most recent PET.  Then in April, what was thought to be a new met appeared in my left tibia (shin bone) along with something concerning in my small intestine.  Our first reaction was, "Another bone met?  When is this going to stop?"  We were less concerned about the small intestine, simply because since my partial small bowel resection (that's where the tumor used for my TIL cell harvest came from), we've had several issues of transient GI inflammation light up on PET.  Given my status of having melanoma and having had a met there before, though, anything that shows up in the area we have to start with the assumption that it's melanoma and do some level of further investigation, so I’ve also been scoped at three different points with upper and lower double-balloon enteroscopes.  After seeing my radiation oncologist, it turned out the "new" bone met in the leg was at the site within the first leg bone met I'd had radiated almost three years earlier.  Since they don't like to radiate something twice, my orthopedic oncologist successfully excised it and filled it with bone cement, it's about an inch by two inches.  I had something similar done to my femur two years ago, with success, and the bone is like new, just filled in with bone cement   Without trying to be negative, my radiation oncologist basically told me that until recently, most patients who received radiation to bone mets were able to achieve local palliation and some control of those mets, but often didn't survive much longer due to other disease sites.  The pathology from the surgery showed that 90% of what was excised was necrotic, dead, melanoma tissue — my orthopedic oncologist said it was completely black and the pathology showed it mostly dead due to the radiation three years prior.  The surgery for my shoulder, done before TIL, in 2010, was much more “radical”.  I have a 10 inch titanium rod that replaced the top half of the humerus in my left arm, including the shoulder “head”.  I have limited use of the arm, but it is functional (it looks normal if a bit atrophied, I call it my T-Rex arm).  There's a time in the not-too-distant past where I probably would have lost the arm, but there has been much progress in orthopedic oncology in limb-sparing procedures.  There's another area in my left tibia that was radiated back in 2011 that still lights on PET but has always been stable.  Whether that's "contained" disease or continuing inflammation doesn't really matter for now.  Since June, we've been dealing with what now appears to be radiation necrosis at the site of my brain tumor.  It appears to be resolving and thankfully doesn't appear to be new tumor growth.  We’re in the process now of continued close monitoring of it as the swelling reduces, but feel good about it (or will once I’m off these steroids).  
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                When I take a step back and look at my four years at Stage IV and try to pull back the weeds a little, I find myself in this really odd place disease-wise.  It's been a constant battle with a lot of the heavy-lifting upfront with a good response, followed by a couple of years of successfully but continually putting out fires one or two at a time.  My doctors and I all strongly believe that the immunotherapies, primarily TIL, have slowed my disease enough that we've been able to handle the newer mets "traditionally", while keeping the new therapies, anti-PD-1, BRAF/MEK (I'm BRAF-positive), in our proverbial back pocket for such a time where a more systemic approach might be needed.  The effects of an immune system “educated” by TIL may still be at work to some degree.  Since the brain tumor, from the start of 2013 until now, it feels like it's been more of the same, putting out fires every three or four months.  But the fact is that the past 18 months for me have been dealing with complications of existing mets, not new disease.
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                Whether we call it stable disease or some kind of pseudo-NED, the distinction might mean something from a prognosis perspective, but from a “living life” perspective, the impact is the same.  I've continued to work throughout, although there has been a big, but necessary, impact to my career.  We managed to see our first daughter off to college two years ago where she's thriving and are starting the process with our second daughter now.  My wife has been by my side throughout, living through everything I have, except for the actual treatments themselves.  Life is forever altered and I admittedly struggle with acceptance of that.  There’s often a feeling of being “stuck”, not being able get momentum with anything because of the ever-present melanoma threat of new mets or complications, not being able to put cancer in the rearview mirror, no five-year “all clear” mark.  Unfortunately, even for true NED patients, I know that's hard because of the nature of melanoma.  Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be where we’re at than the alternative, I am thankful — I obviously wish we never had to face this at all — and am able to be hopeful, sometimes at least.
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                I don't know if I have a main point here, other than continuing the conversation about this topic that's really been on my mind lately.  It may be commentary on an emerging path that some of us will follow, that of a new kind of survivorship and living with a very dangerous, but in some aspects, chronic disease.  For others — friends, family, coworkers — who often have a hard time understanding the cancer fight in general, this is completely confounding.  It's sometimes sounds like, “He’s all better”, or, “He’s sick”, and if someone looks O.K., then they must be fine, not understanding what it's like to wake up every day and know that I still have Stage IV cancer.  There's perhaps an element of me waxing a little extra philosophical here while I'm on the steroid (I’ve noticed I tend to do) which has made me hesitate a bit about posting this. But I'm guessing that I'm not completely alone in this scenario and maybe someone else can find some encouragement in knowing that there are others who find themselves in a similar place.
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                Joe
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                  BrianP
                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                    Thanks for your thoughts Joe. I could definitely relate to them, as I'm sure most of us on this board can. I'm not nearly as good as you at articulating my thoughts but I am pretty good at finding things that others have said that really capture what I'm thinking and feeling. I've posted this article here once or twice but it's been awhile. Not sure if you've seen it but I think it's one of the best articles I've read on how this fight effects you and changes you.  What makes it even more impressive was the author was only 28 at the time he wrote it. 

                                                                                                                                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-tomczek/cancer-advice_b_1628266.html

                                                                                                                                    Brian

                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                    BrianP
                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                      Thanks for your thoughts Joe. I could definitely relate to them, as I'm sure most of us on this board can. I'm not nearly as good as you at articulating my thoughts but I am pretty good at finding things that others have said that really capture what I'm thinking and feeling. I've posted this article here once or twice but it's been awhile. Not sure if you've seen it but I think it's one of the best articles I've read on how this fight effects you and changes you.  What makes it even more impressive was the author was only 28 at the time he wrote it. 

                                                                                                                                      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-tomczek/cancer-advice_b_1628266.html

                                                                                                                                      Brian

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                      BrianP
                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                        Thanks for your thoughts Joe. I could definitely relate to them, as I'm sure most of us on this board can. I'm not nearly as good as you at articulating my thoughts but I am pretty good at finding things that others have said that really capture what I'm thinking and feeling. I've posted this article here once or twice but it's been awhile. Not sure if you've seen it but I think it's one of the best articles I've read on how this fight effects you and changes you.  What makes it even more impressive was the author was only 28 at the time he wrote it. 

                                                                                                                                        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-tomczek/cancer-advice_b_1628266.html

                                                                                                                                        Brian

                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                        JerryfromFauq
                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                          BUT Joe, "You look so well."  how can you relly be sick?  Welcome to where we don't want to be. Evenif you are as long winded as I tend to be!  (Stage IV since at  least Feb 2007 and never NED in this time.)

                                                                                                                                          JerryfromFauq
                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                            BUT Joe, "You look so well."  how can you relly be sick?  Welcome to where we don't want to be. Evenif you are as long winded as I tend to be!  (Stage IV since at  least Feb 2007 and never NED in this time.)

                                                                                                                                            JerryfromFauq
                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                              BUT Joe, "You look so well."  how can you relly be sick?  Welcome to where we don't want to be. Evenif you are as long winded as I tend to be!  (Stage IV since at  least Feb 2007 and never NED in this time.)

                                                                                                                                            ed williams
                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                              Hi Joe, sometimes I think the hardest part of dealing with Melanoma is that friends and co- workers don't get it. It is so complicated to understand (melanoma) for many, that I try to keep it simple with them. I feel that on the forum when I share my melanoma experiences, that members just get it !!!!  Thanks for sharing your journey. Brian, keep coming up with post ideas for the stage 4 club. Ed

                                                                                                                                                RJoeyB
                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                  Thanks Ed.  As you can tell, brevity isn't my strong suit, but in individual interactions I do try to keep it simple. I have a private CaringBridge blog where I'm more detailed, and that's a challenge, keep it simple and people don't understand and too detailed and people start to zone out — not a criticism, just human nature.  I am glad I've started to be more active here because there is a group who understands.  Joe

                                                                                                                                                  Brendan
                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                    The hardest part is that people do care.  But, as many have written, they simply don't get it.  

                                                                                                                                                    At work I actually wrote a staff e-mail and told people that I am sick of talking about it (stage IV since Sept 2011).  I told them to PLEASE not say, "Let me know how I can help"…"How do you feel?" …. "How are you doing?" …. "Tell me if you need anything."…  Several people actually thanked me for writing the e-mail because they felt 'different' around me and were not sure how to act.  I told everyone that the more they make fun of me, tease me (as they always did) the better I feel.  I tend to be a private person so that worked for me.  I've talked to other people with melanoma who feel good when people talk to them.  I think it's most important for us to be clear about our expectaions and talk to family and friends about it.

                                                                                                                                                    Also, after many surgeries, ER visits, treatments, etc., I am now blunt and to the point – living in Philadelphia helps- people here expect that anyway!  As for surgeries I say the following:

                                                                                                                                                     I am tired in the hospital-please don't visit

                                                                                                                                                    Please don't visit my home immediately after because I will be in pain (or hopped up on decadron).  

                                                                                                                                                    If you'd really like to help… drop off a meal in a dish I don't need to return. Get my wife a message. Mow my lawn.  Take out my trash … Babysit, babysit, babysit …

                                                                                                                                                    Good luck everyone.  Thanks for sharing.

                                                                                                                                                    Brendan

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                    Brendan
                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                      The hardest part is that people do care.  But, as many have written, they simply don't get it.  

                                                                                                                                                      At work I actually wrote a staff e-mail and told people that I am sick of talking about it (stage IV since Sept 2011).  I told them to PLEASE not say, "Let me know how I can help"…"How do you feel?" …. "How are you doing?" …. "Tell me if you need anything."…  Several people actually thanked me for writing the e-mail because they felt 'different' around me and were not sure how to act.  I told everyone that the more they make fun of me, tease me (as they always did) the better I feel.  I tend to be a private person so that worked for me.  I've talked to other people with melanoma who feel good when people talk to them.  I think it's most important for us to be clear about our expectaions and talk to family and friends about it.

                                                                                                                                                      Also, after many surgeries, ER visits, treatments, etc., I am now blunt and to the point – living in Philadelphia helps- people here expect that anyway!  As for surgeries I say the following:

                                                                                                                                                       I am tired in the hospital-please don't visit

                                                                                                                                                      Please don't visit my home immediately after because I will be in pain (or hopped up on decadron).  

                                                                                                                                                      If you'd really like to help… drop off a meal in a dish I don't need to return. Get my wife a message. Mow my lawn.  Take out my trash … Babysit, babysit, babysit …

                                                                                                                                                      Good luck everyone.  Thanks for sharing.

                                                                                                                                                      Brendan

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                       

                                                                                                                                                      Brendan
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                                                                                                                                                        The hardest part is that people do care.  But, as many have written, they simply don't get it.  

                                                                                                                                                        At work I actually wrote a staff e-mail and told people that I am sick of talking about it (stage IV since Sept 2011).  I told them to PLEASE not say, "Let me know how I can help"…"How do you feel?" …. "How are you doing?" …. "Tell me if you need anything."…  Several people actually thanked me for writing the e-mail because they felt 'different' around me and were not sure how to act.  I told everyone that the more they make fun of me, tease me (as they always did) the better I feel.  I tend to be a private person so that worked for me.  I've talked to other people with melanoma who feel good when people talk to them.  I think it's most important for us to be clear about our expectaions and talk to family and friends about it.

                                                                                                                                                        Also, after many surgeries, ER visits, treatments, etc., I am now blunt and to the point – living in Philadelphia helps- people here expect that anyway!  As for surgeries I say the following:

                                                                                                                                                         I am tired in the hospital-please don't visit

                                                                                                                                                        Please don't visit my home immediately after because I will be in pain (or hopped up on decadron).  

                                                                                                                                                        If you'd really like to help… drop off a meal in a dish I don't need to return. Get my wife a message. Mow my lawn.  Take out my trash … Babysit, babysit, babysit …

                                                                                                                                                        Good luck everyone.  Thanks for sharing.

                                                                                                                                                        Brendan

                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                                                        RJoeyB
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                                                                                                                                                          Thanks Ed.  As you can tell, brevity isn't my strong suit, but in individual interactions I do try to keep it simple. I have a private CaringBridge blog where I'm more detailed, and that's a challenge, keep it simple and people don't understand and too detailed and people start to zone out — not a criticism, just human nature.  I am glad I've started to be more active here because there is a group who understands.  Joe

                                                                                                                                                          RJoeyB
                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                            Thanks Ed.  As you can tell, brevity isn't my strong suit, but in individual interactions I do try to keep it simple. I have a private CaringBridge blog where I'm more detailed, and that's a challenge, keep it simple and people don't understand and too detailed and people start to zone out — not a criticism, just human nature.  I am glad I've started to be more active here because there is a group who understands.  Joe

                                                                                                                                                          ed williams
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                                                                                                                                                            Hi Joe, sometimes I think the hardest part of dealing with Melanoma is that friends and co- workers don't get it. It is so complicated to understand (melanoma) for many, that I try to keep it simple with them. I feel that on the forum when I share my melanoma experiences, that members just get it !!!!  Thanks for sharing your journey. Brian, keep coming up with post ideas for the stage 4 club. Ed

                                                                                                                                                            ed williams
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                                                                                                                                                              Hi Joe, sometimes I think the hardest part of dealing with Melanoma is that friends and co- workers don't get it. It is so complicated to understand (melanoma) for many, that I try to keep it simple with them. I feel that on the forum when I share my melanoma experiences, that members just get it !!!!  Thanks for sharing your journey. Brian, keep coming up with post ideas for the stage 4 club. Ed

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