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- September 23, 2014 at 1:49 am
Hello Friends-
A friend of mine has a friend that is now stage 4. I don't know all the details but intial diagnosis was Stage 3 in 2012 with cells found in a lymph node. This year went to stage 4 and did IL2 with progression right away. I'm told there is metastasis to soft tissues, bones, liver and I believe lungs. The way my friend has talked about it…maybe he'll have a year left. Not sure if he is BRAF + or -.
I guess I'd like to know from Stage 4 patients who have a a moderate to heavy tumor burden and are still fighting or NED. As many of you know I'm stage 4…currently NED and in a Promethesus combo trial of Ipi and IL2. I did yervoy last Oct-Dec and then did 22 of 24 bags of IL2 in January. Scan since have been clear and I have scans coming up Oct 3rd. I did not have any lymph node invovement, the crap just decided to show up in my lungs. That being said I had low tumor burden and I'm not sure how much it matters. This guy was Stage 3 and fell into the 70% survival rate for his staging…I wish they'd update that. The way it sounds…he was told he was in better place than many but as we all know…this beast is tricky.
I have reached out to these people to try and get more info. They're going through a lot and I'd like to try and provide support….hope. I just hate when I hear someone is given a "timeline" to live. He clearly is prepared to fight but the way it sounds death is imminent. I've heard some great stories here and given the opportunity I'd like to share….give hope that he can be around more than a year!!!
Josh
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- September 23, 2014 at 3:05 am
Here's a post I did in August — I've got another scan scheduled for tomorrow, but, so far, thnigs are looking good without recurrence.
I started the double-blind ipi/nivo combination January 2014. The known drug was ipi at 3mg/kg, the unknown was a placebo or nivo at 1mg/kg. My tumor load was significant with mets on scalp, in neck & jaw, multiple lung lesions, vertebrae and lower leg (both soft tissue and bone). I completed the series of four combo infusions over three months when PET/CT showed NED. Although blinded, my oncologist is convinced I had the nivo rather than placebo because he had never seen such a complete and rapid response. Before starting the "maintenance" phase of the trial with bi-weekly infusions of nivo or placebo, my liver enzymes spiked (although I was without symptoms) to >10X normal so I was disqualified for continuation of infusions in the trial. A course of steroids brought my liver enzymes back to normal within about 6 weeks. My most recent CT scan follow up last week continues NED and the oncologist is requesting the trial allow me to stretch out the CT interval from every 6 weeks to every 3 months. During the course of treatment I had minimal side effects, limited to itching and a couple of weeks of fatigue.
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- September 23, 2014 at 3:05 am
Here's a post I did in August — I've got another scan scheduled for tomorrow, but, so far, thnigs are looking good without recurrence.
I started the double-blind ipi/nivo combination January 2014. The known drug was ipi at 3mg/kg, the unknown was a placebo or nivo at 1mg/kg. My tumor load was significant with mets on scalp, in neck & jaw, multiple lung lesions, vertebrae and lower leg (both soft tissue and bone). I completed the series of four combo infusions over three months when PET/CT showed NED. Although blinded, my oncologist is convinced I had the nivo rather than placebo because he had never seen such a complete and rapid response. Before starting the "maintenance" phase of the trial with bi-weekly infusions of nivo or placebo, my liver enzymes spiked (although I was without symptoms) to >10X normal so I was disqualified for continuation of infusions in the trial. A course of steroids brought my liver enzymes back to normal within about 6 weeks. My most recent CT scan follow up last week continues NED and the oncologist is requesting the trial allow me to stretch out the CT interval from every 6 weeks to every 3 months. During the course of treatment I had minimal side effects, limited to itching and a couple of weeks of fatigue.
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- September 23, 2014 at 3:05 am
Here's a post I did in August — I've got another scan scheduled for tomorrow, but, so far, thnigs are looking good without recurrence.
I started the double-blind ipi/nivo combination January 2014. The known drug was ipi at 3mg/kg, the unknown was a placebo or nivo at 1mg/kg. My tumor load was significant with mets on scalp, in neck & jaw, multiple lung lesions, vertebrae and lower leg (both soft tissue and bone). I completed the series of four combo infusions over three months when PET/CT showed NED. Although blinded, my oncologist is convinced I had the nivo rather than placebo because he had never seen such a complete and rapid response. Before starting the "maintenance" phase of the trial with bi-weekly infusions of nivo or placebo, my liver enzymes spiked (although I was without symptoms) to >10X normal so I was disqualified for continuation of infusions in the trial. A course of steroids brought my liver enzymes back to normal within about 6 weeks. My most recent CT scan follow up last week continues NED and the oncologist is requesting the trial allow me to stretch out the CT interval from every 6 weeks to every 3 months. During the course of treatment I had minimal side effects, limited to itching and a couple of weeks of fatigue.
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- September 23, 2014 at 11:01 am
I'm sorry to hear about your friend- we all know it's never easy. I was diagnosed as stage IIIb in 2011 and given a 50% chance of still being alive in 5 years. I know you know that published stats are not particularly up to date, espeically these days with all new advances so I won't say any more about them. I ended up as a stage IV in 2012, with an initially rather light, mostly subcutaneous burden. I chose at that time to proceed with IL-2, which I do not regret and that seemed to actually work on what I had at the time, but shortly after finishing the IL-2 new masses (again, mostly subcutaneous) began to appear. Within a month I had over 30 subcutaneous masses, with additional (not sure how many) in my abdomen and thorax. Many of these were lymph nodes, not in organs, but I did have one around my aorta, a few in the lungs, and several around my kidneys which were causing very significant pain. In addition to that, the MRI showed that I had developed brain mets. I had been hoping to join one of the pd-1/ipi combo trials that were going on at the time but the brain mets disqualified me. Instead I was pushed onto Ipi as a monotherapy with self injections of GM-CSF for 14 days after each infusion, all running alongside WBR. This was not fun. The WBR was successful, the rest not at all. Given the often delayed response from Ipi I had to wait a while before being able to be declared a failure, which meant my tumor burden had increased dramatically. At that point I tried to get onto a different pd-1 trial, but again was denied because of the appearance of new brain mets. As a BRAF+ patient I was placed on the BRAF/MEK combo and the brain mets treated with gamma knife. The combo failed after 5 months, and I again had new brain mets (again treated with gamma knife) but this time was able to get into the Merk PD-1 EAP, where I have been until now. The PD-1 has done absolute wonders for my body (again very high burden, though not necessarily in organs or bones), but unfortunately I just had to have a craniotomy last week for a new brain met that had grown very rapidly. Happily (and thankfully) I did not and do not have any side effects from any of the brain tumors I've had, or the therapies to treat them (including the surgery).
Long story short- I've been stage IV for over 2 years, much of that time with brain mets. I've never been lucky enough to get to NED, but feel that I certainy have been lucky to get this far and plan to keep going! It sometimes seems that I burn through therapies left and right, but there always seems to be something else to try, and I am greatful for that. I consider myself a sucess story at the moment- I may not always be one, but for now, I think I am- there have definitely been tough times and it seems like every time things are starting to go well I get knocked back down, but I'm still here, still going, and in general doing pretty well despite everything.
Best of luck to you and your friend
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- September 23, 2014 at 11:01 am
I'm sorry to hear about your friend- we all know it's never easy. I was diagnosed as stage IIIb in 2011 and given a 50% chance of still being alive in 5 years. I know you know that published stats are not particularly up to date, espeically these days with all new advances so I won't say any more about them. I ended up as a stage IV in 2012, with an initially rather light, mostly subcutaneous burden. I chose at that time to proceed with IL-2, which I do not regret and that seemed to actually work on what I had at the time, but shortly after finishing the IL-2 new masses (again, mostly subcutaneous) began to appear. Within a month I had over 30 subcutaneous masses, with additional (not sure how many) in my abdomen and thorax. Many of these were lymph nodes, not in organs, but I did have one around my aorta, a few in the lungs, and several around my kidneys which were causing very significant pain. In addition to that, the MRI showed that I had developed brain mets. I had been hoping to join one of the pd-1/ipi combo trials that were going on at the time but the brain mets disqualified me. Instead I was pushed onto Ipi as a monotherapy with self injections of GM-CSF for 14 days after each infusion, all running alongside WBR. This was not fun. The WBR was successful, the rest not at all. Given the often delayed response from Ipi I had to wait a while before being able to be declared a failure, which meant my tumor burden had increased dramatically. At that point I tried to get onto a different pd-1 trial, but again was denied because of the appearance of new brain mets. As a BRAF+ patient I was placed on the BRAF/MEK combo and the brain mets treated with gamma knife. The combo failed after 5 months, and I again had new brain mets (again treated with gamma knife) but this time was able to get into the Merk PD-1 EAP, where I have been until now. The PD-1 has done absolute wonders for my body (again very high burden, though not necessarily in organs or bones), but unfortunately I just had to have a craniotomy last week for a new brain met that had grown very rapidly. Happily (and thankfully) I did not and do not have any side effects from any of the brain tumors I've had, or the therapies to treat them (including the surgery).
Long story short- I've been stage IV for over 2 years, much of that time with brain mets. I've never been lucky enough to get to NED, but feel that I certainy have been lucky to get this far and plan to keep going! It sometimes seems that I burn through therapies left and right, but there always seems to be something else to try, and I am greatful for that. I consider myself a sucess story at the moment- I may not always be one, but for now, I think I am- there have definitely been tough times and it seems like every time things are starting to go well I get knocked back down, but I'm still here, still going, and in general doing pretty well despite everything.
Best of luck to you and your friend
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- September 23, 2014 at 11:01 am
I'm sorry to hear about your friend- we all know it's never easy. I was diagnosed as stage IIIb in 2011 and given a 50% chance of still being alive in 5 years. I know you know that published stats are not particularly up to date, espeically these days with all new advances so I won't say any more about them. I ended up as a stage IV in 2012, with an initially rather light, mostly subcutaneous burden. I chose at that time to proceed with IL-2, which I do not regret and that seemed to actually work on what I had at the time, but shortly after finishing the IL-2 new masses (again, mostly subcutaneous) began to appear. Within a month I had over 30 subcutaneous masses, with additional (not sure how many) in my abdomen and thorax. Many of these were lymph nodes, not in organs, but I did have one around my aorta, a few in the lungs, and several around my kidneys which were causing very significant pain. In addition to that, the MRI showed that I had developed brain mets. I had been hoping to join one of the pd-1/ipi combo trials that were going on at the time but the brain mets disqualified me. Instead I was pushed onto Ipi as a monotherapy with self injections of GM-CSF for 14 days after each infusion, all running alongside WBR. This was not fun. The WBR was successful, the rest not at all. Given the often delayed response from Ipi I had to wait a while before being able to be declared a failure, which meant my tumor burden had increased dramatically. At that point I tried to get onto a different pd-1 trial, but again was denied because of the appearance of new brain mets. As a BRAF+ patient I was placed on the BRAF/MEK combo and the brain mets treated with gamma knife. The combo failed after 5 months, and I again had new brain mets (again treated with gamma knife) but this time was able to get into the Merk PD-1 EAP, where I have been until now. The PD-1 has done absolute wonders for my body (again very high burden, though not necessarily in organs or bones), but unfortunately I just had to have a craniotomy last week for a new brain met that had grown very rapidly. Happily (and thankfully) I did not and do not have any side effects from any of the brain tumors I've had, or the therapies to treat them (including the surgery).
Long story short- I've been stage IV for over 2 years, much of that time with brain mets. I've never been lucky enough to get to NED, but feel that I certainy have been lucky to get this far and plan to keep going! It sometimes seems that I burn through therapies left and right, but there always seems to be something else to try, and I am greatful for that. I consider myself a sucess story at the moment- I may not always be one, but for now, I think I am- there have definitely been tough times and it seems like every time things are starting to go well I get knocked back down, but I'm still here, still going, and in general doing pretty well despite everything.
Best of luck to you and your friend
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- September 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Josh, I had a heavy tumor burden at the time of my diagnosis. An NIH doctor speculated that I had weeks to live had my disease been left untreated. I am BRAF positive and I started on Tafinlar and Mekinist (BRAF and MEK inhibitors). Theses drugs reduced my burden by approx 80 percent, giving me a shot at ipi and, at some point in the future, PD-1. I'm coming up on my 14th month of treatment and my scans remain stable with continuing minor reduction. If your friend has a heavy tumor burden and is BRAF positive, then I think the prevailing protocol is to start with Tafinlar and Mekinist as an initial treatment.
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- September 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Josh, I had a heavy tumor burden at the time of my diagnosis. An NIH doctor speculated that I had weeks to live had my disease been left untreated. I am BRAF positive and I started on Tafinlar and Mekinist (BRAF and MEK inhibitors). Theses drugs reduced my burden by approx 80 percent, giving me a shot at ipi and, at some point in the future, PD-1. I'm coming up on my 14th month of treatment and my scans remain stable with continuing minor reduction. If your friend has a heavy tumor burden and is BRAF positive, then I think the prevailing protocol is to start with Tafinlar and Mekinist as an initial treatment.
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- September 23, 2014 at 12:46 pm
Hi Mat, always good to see people beat the odds ๐ Are you saying you're on your 14th month of the combo or did you already move to IPI? My wife's on her 4th month of the BRAF/MEK combo after a very heavy tumor load, so far >30% reduction although they don't measure it accurately. Next scans in 3 weeks – and we also have the IPI (ideally 2 shots unless they work :D) and then Pembro option lined up here in Holland/Belgium as well. Best, Rick
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- September 23, 2014 at 12:46 pm
Hi Mat, always good to see people beat the odds ๐ Are you saying you're on your 14th month of the combo or did you already move to IPI? My wife's on her 4th month of the BRAF/MEK combo after a very heavy tumor load, so far >30% reduction although they don't measure it accurately. Next scans in 3 weeks – and we also have the IPI (ideally 2 shots unless they work :D) and then Pembro option lined up here in Holland/Belgium as well. Best, Rick
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- September 23, 2014 at 3:29 pm
Rick, I'm on my 14th month of BRAF/MEK. I did ipi earlier this year. Yes, when you're not on a trial, they don't really measure the reduction in percentages. My 80% reduction is an estimate. As for beating the odds, I'm to the right of the median (10.5 months) on progression-free survival, but keep in mind that 50% of patients are also to the right. Celeste also posted a discussion on her blog where an onc (I think Weber from Moffitt) mentioned that 20% of patients are able to stay on BRAF/MEK for 3+ years. I'm not banking on that, but hey, at the current rate of progress, they'll probably have even more impressive treatments in 3 years.
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- September 23, 2014 at 3:29 pm
Rick, I'm on my 14th month of BRAF/MEK. I did ipi earlier this year. Yes, when you're not on a trial, they don't really measure the reduction in percentages. My 80% reduction is an estimate. As for beating the odds, I'm to the right of the median (10.5 months) on progression-free survival, but keep in mind that 50% of patients are also to the right. Celeste also posted a discussion on her blog where an onc (I think Weber from Moffitt) mentioned that 20% of patients are able to stay on BRAF/MEK for 3+ years. I'm not banking on that, but hey, at the current rate of progress, they'll probably have even more impressive treatments in 3 years.
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- September 23, 2014 at 3:29 pm
Rick, I'm on my 14th month of BRAF/MEK. I did ipi earlier this year. Yes, when you're not on a trial, they don't really measure the reduction in percentages. My 80% reduction is an estimate. As for beating the odds, I'm to the right of the median (10.5 months) on progression-free survival, but keep in mind that 50% of patients are also to the right. Celeste also posted a discussion on her blog where an onc (I think Weber from Moffitt) mentioned that 20% of patients are able to stay on BRAF/MEK for 3+ years. I'm not banking on that, but hey, at the current rate of progress, they'll probably have even more impressive treatments in 3 years.
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- September 24, 2014 at 11:27 am
Thank you all for responses…it's very encouraging. I did get a response and though his wife didn't tell me name of drug other than it being an oral chemo, I'm guessing it's MEK. I think from tthere they'll try Ipi….you have to fail Ipi before PD-1 correct?
Again…thank you all!!!!
Josh
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- September 24, 2014 at 12:06 pm
under the current FDA approval status, yes, you must have failed Ipi and a BRAFi (if posititive). However, I don't think you have to try very hard to prove "failure"- I know I didn't have to try very hard to get into the EAP back in June, so I doubt it would be very hard now that it's got an approved protocol. May have to look around a little to see what facilities have it or can get it though.
Best of luck
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- September 24, 2014 at 12:06 pm
under the current FDA approval status, yes, you must have failed Ipi and a BRAFi (if posititive). However, I don't think you have to try very hard to prove "failure"- I know I didn't have to try very hard to get into the EAP back in June, so I doubt it would be very hard now that it's got an approved protocol. May have to look around a little to see what facilities have it or can get it though.
Best of luck
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- September 24, 2014 at 12:06 pm
under the current FDA approval status, yes, you must have failed Ipi and a BRAFi (if posititive). However, I don't think you have to try very hard to prove "failure"- I know I didn't have to try very hard to get into the EAP back in June, so I doubt it would be very hard now that it's got an approved protocol. May have to look around a little to see what facilities have it or can get it though.
Best of luck
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- September 24, 2014 at 11:27 am
Thank you all for responses…it's very encouraging. I did get a response and though his wife didn't tell me name of drug other than it being an oral chemo, I'm guessing it's MEK. I think from tthere they'll try Ipi….you have to fail Ipi before PD-1 correct?
Again…thank you all!!!!
Josh
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- September 24, 2014 at 11:27 am
Thank you all for responses…it's very encouraging. I did get a response and though his wife didn't tell me name of drug other than it being an oral chemo, I'm guessing it's MEK. I think from tthere they'll try Ipi….you have to fail Ipi before PD-1 correct?
Again…thank you all!!!!
Josh
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- September 23, 2014 at 12:46 pm
Hi Mat, always good to see people beat the odds ๐ Are you saying you're on your 14th month of the combo or did you already move to IPI? My wife's on her 4th month of the BRAF/MEK combo after a very heavy tumor load, so far >30% reduction although they don't measure it accurately. Next scans in 3 weeks – and we also have the IPI (ideally 2 shots unless they work :D) and then Pembro option lined up here in Holland/Belgium as well. Best, Rick
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- September 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Josh, I had a heavy tumor burden at the time of my diagnosis. An NIH doctor speculated that I had weeks to live had my disease been left untreated. I am BRAF positive and I started on Tafinlar and Mekinist (BRAF and MEK inhibitors). Theses drugs reduced my burden by approx 80 percent, giving me a shot at ipi and, at some point in the future, PD-1. I'm coming up on my 14th month of treatment and my scans remain stable with continuing minor reduction. If your friend has a heavy tumor burden and is BRAF positive, then I think the prevailing protocol is to start with Tafinlar and Mekinist as an initial treatment.
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