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    Gene_S
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      Setback in research into cancer treatment

      Marilynn Marchione, The Associated Press
      07 March 2012 05:07
       

      BOSTON – Scientists are reporting what could be very bad news for efforts to customize cancer treatment based on each person's genes.

      They have discovered big differences from place to place in the same tumour as to which genes are active or mutated. They also found differences in the genetics of the main tumour and places where the cancer has spread.

      This means that the single biopsies that doctors rely on to choose drugs are probably not giving a true view of the cancer's biology. It also means that treating cancer won't be as simple as many had hoped.

      By analyzing tumours in unprecedented detail, "we're finding that the deeper you go, the more you find," said one study leader, Dr. Charles Swanton of the Cancer Research UK London Research Institute in England. "It's like going from a black-and-white television with four pixels to a colour television with thousands of pixels."

      Yet the result is a fuzzier picture of how to treat the disease.

      The study is reported in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine.

      It is a reality check for "overoptimism" in the field devoted to conquering cancer with new gene-targeting drugs, Dr. Dan Longo, a deputy editor at the journal, wrote in an editorial.

      About 15 of these medicines are on the market now and hundreds more are in testing, but they have had only limited success. And the new study may help explain why.

      The scientists used gene sequencing to a degree that has not been done before to study primary tumours and places where they spread in four patients with advanced kidney cancer. They found that two-thirds of gene mutations they detected were not present in all areas of the same tumour. They also were stunned to see different mutations in the same gene from one part of a tumour to another.

      That means a single biopsy would reveal only a minority of mutations. Still, it's not clear whether doing more biopsies would improve accuracy, or how many or how often they should be done.

      Although the study involved kidney cancer, independent experts said the results should apply to other cancers such as breast, lung and colon. And previous research suggests this is so.

      "This is an important paper," said Dr. Gordon Mills, co-director of the Institute for Personalized Cancer Therapy at the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center.

      Doctors there have been offering genetic testing to patients for several years and have a database of results on about 4,000 tumour samples. So far, about 40 per cent of breast cancers have discrepancies between which genes are active in the main tumour and which ones are active where the cancer has spread, Mills said.

      It costs $5,000 to $10,000 to do basic gene analysis of the main tumour, and about 10 times as much to do the kind of testing the scientists in the British study did, Mills said.

      And if it were done, "we're going to find a lot of information that we don't know what to do about," such as when one biopsy suggests a certain mutation is driving the cancer and another biopsy suggests a different one is, he said.

      It also takes precious time. Swanton said sequencing a patient's entire cancer genome took a very large computer four months. The amount of time required is dropping, but this type of personalized analysis is still years away from being available in the clinic, he said.

      Yet the study shows that the single biopsy — "the cornerstone of personalized-medicine decisions" — is not enough, Longo wrote. And "the simple view of directing therapy on the basis of genetic tumour markers is probably too simple."

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      AP Medical Writer Maria Cheng in London contributed to this story.
       

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        kylez
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          Gene, I've often wondered the extent to which my (known) mutations progress or change over time. E.g., I thought I was an NRAS (G12A) and WT BRAF (G466E) patient. But who the heck knows now?

          It would be interesting to see to what extent their findings would apply to other cancers, specifically melanoma. Maybe that helps explain why not all BRAF mutated patients *initially* respond well or equally to BRAF inhibitor treatment.

          kylez
          Participant

            Gene, I've often wondered the extent to which my (known) mutations progress or change over time. E.g., I thought I was an NRAS (G12A) and WT BRAF (G466E) patient. But who the heck knows now?

            It would be interesting to see to what extent their findings would apply to other cancers, specifically melanoma. Maybe that helps explain why not all BRAF mutated patients *initially* respond well or equally to BRAF inhibitor treatment.

            kylez
            Participant

              Gene, I've often wondered the extent to which my (known) mutations progress or change over time. E.g., I thought I was an NRAS (G12A) and WT BRAF (G466E) patient. But who the heck knows now?

              It would be interesting to see to what extent their findings would apply to other cancers, specifically melanoma. Maybe that helps explain why not all BRAF mutated patients *initially* respond well or equally to BRAF inhibitor treatment.

              LynnLuc
              Participant

                I don't believe it is a set back because this has been a question for forever…they are unlocking  melanoma layer by layer and discovering more and more  pathways…it's still a work in progress.. It is not a scientific paper, but a medical writer submitting a short review of an article in the NEMJ . 

                LynnLuc
                Participant

                  I don't believe it is a set back because this has been a question for forever…they are unlocking  melanoma layer by layer and discovering more and more  pathways…it's still a work in progress.. It is not a scientific paper, but a medical writer submitting a short review of an article in the NEMJ . 

                  LynnLuc
                  Participant

                    I don't believe it is a set back because this has been a question for forever…they are unlocking  melanoma layer by layer and discovering more and more  pathways…it's still a work in progress.. It is not a scientific paper, but a medical writer submitting a short review of an article in the NEMJ . 

                    Gene_S
                    Participant

                      Here is the link to see the 60 minutes video as well as Dr. Mercola opinions.  See:

                      http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/10/chemotheraphy-is-medical-fraud.aspx?e_cid=20120310_DNL_art_1

                      Best Wishes,

                      Gene

                        Gene_S
                        Participant

                          Lynn,

                          You have stated to "Advocate for your own treatment" and I feel that you are missing a very important fact about the tanning beds that Dr. Mercola is recommending. You need to educate yourself about the UVA and the UVB differences! One causes cancer and one doesn't. He is not a quack in my opinion but a pioneer as he is promoting the "right" type of UV's and the need to increase your vitamin D3 levels. The very best way (free) of course to get proper vitamin D3 is to get some Sun!  Fifteen to twenty minutes a day at lunch time will do the most benefit.

                          Have your recently had your vitamin D3 levels tested? I am willing to bet you the price of a blood testing that you are seriously vitamin D3 deficient!     Hello Dr.Mercola, how soon can I get one of these tanning beds…   ๐Ÿ˜‰

                          Best Wishes,

                          Gene

                          PS. Once you accept the fact that everyone is trying to sell you something (drugs like ippi are not free) maybe you will open your mind to some new thinking? Possibly Dr. Mercola is actually selling a product that helps you cure your melanoma?

                          Gene_S
                          Participant

                            Lynn,

                            You have stated to "Advocate for your own treatment" and I feel that you are missing a very important fact about the tanning beds that Dr. Mercola is recommending. You need to educate yourself about the UVA and the UVB differences! One causes cancer and one doesn't. He is not a quack in my opinion but a pioneer as he is promoting the "right" type of UV's and the need to increase your vitamin D3 levels. The very best way (free) of course to get proper vitamin D3 is to get some Sun!  Fifteen to twenty minutes a day at lunch time will do the most benefit.

                            Have your recently had your vitamin D3 levels tested? I am willing to bet you the price of a blood testing that you are seriously vitamin D3 deficient!     Hello Dr.Mercola, how soon can I get one of these tanning beds…   ๐Ÿ˜‰

                            Best Wishes,

                            Gene

                            PS. Once you accept the fact that everyone is trying to sell you something (drugs like ippi are not free) maybe you will open your mind to some new thinking? Possibly Dr. Mercola is actually selling a product that helps you cure your melanoma?

                            Gene_S
                            Participant

                              Lynn,

                              You have stated to "Advocate for your own treatment" and I feel that you are missing a very important fact about the tanning beds that Dr. Mercola is recommending. You need to educate yourself about the UVA and the UVB differences! One causes cancer and one doesn't. He is not a quack in my opinion but a pioneer as he is promoting the "right" type of UV's and the need to increase your vitamin D3 levels. The very best way (free) of course to get proper vitamin D3 is to get some Sun!  Fifteen to twenty minutes a day at lunch time will do the most benefit.

                              Have your recently had your vitamin D3 levels tested? I am willing to bet you the price of a blood testing that you are seriously vitamin D3 deficient!     Hello Dr.Mercola, how soon can I get one of these tanning beds…   ๐Ÿ˜‰

                              Best Wishes,

                              Gene

                              PS. Once you accept the fact that everyone is trying to sell you something (drugs like ippi are not free) maybe you will open your mind to some new thinking? Possibly Dr. Mercola is actually selling a product that helps you cure your melanoma?

                            Gene_S
                            Participant

                              Here is the link to see the 60 minutes video as well as Dr. Mercola opinions.  See:

                              http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/10/chemotheraphy-is-medical-fraud.aspx?e_cid=20120310_DNL_art_1

                              Best Wishes,

                              Gene

                              Gene_S
                              Participant

                                Here is the link to see the 60 minutes video as well as Dr. Mercola opinions.  See:

                                http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/10/chemotheraphy-is-medical-fraud.aspx?e_cid=20120310_DNL_art_1

                                Best Wishes,

                                Gene

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