Please Help!!! Understanding Test Results

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    RifClitz
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      Hi, Today the doctor told us that my father has Melanoma. They removed a birthmark from the back of his hip and it was positive…. The details are as follows:

       

      Thikness: 1.1 mm

      Clark Level : III

      Nodular and superficial spreading

      Involving Lateral margin

      non-ulcerated

      Mitosis: more than 4/mm2.

      The doctor suggested another appt to see whether lymph nodes were penetrated.

       

      I have a few questions. Given all this, what's the likehood that the lymph nodes were penetrated. Also, what do you think is the stage??? Please, please help!!!

       

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        casagrayson
        Participant

          You won't know staging until your father has the WLE (wide local excision) and the SNB (sentinel node biopsy).  That is standard protocol for anything over 1mm.  The mitosis rate would also make the doctors lean toward the SNB.  (I'm pretty sure the doctor will want to do the SNB and the re-excision at the same appontment.)

          There is no way to tell if this has spread without going through the process.  I know the waiting is hard.

          casagrayson
          Participant

            You won't know staging until your father has the WLE (wide local excision) and the SNB (sentinel node biopsy).  That is standard protocol for anything over 1mm.  The mitosis rate would also make the doctors lean toward the SNB.  (I'm pretty sure the doctor will want to do the SNB and the re-excision at the same appontment.)

            There is no way to tell if this has spread without going through the process.  I know the waiting is hard.

            casagrayson
            Participant

              You won't know staging until your father has the WLE (wide local excision) and the SNB (sentinel node biopsy).  That is standard protocol for anything over 1mm.  The mitosis rate would also make the doctors lean toward the SNB.  (I'm pretty sure the doctor will want to do the SNB and the re-excision at the same appontment.)

              There is no way to tell if this has spread without going through the process.  I know the waiting is hard.

                RifClitz
                Participant

                  Hi Susan, I've done a lot of reseach since I've heard of this news. Given that this birthmark/mole is relevantly new, I hope that melanoma did not spread. Also, the doctor said that the he's happy that the size is not less than 2mm and that it's not ulcerated…. What do you think?? As for WLE (wide local excision) and the SNB (sentinel node biopsy), do you typically get the results the same day or is there also a long waiting period?

                  RifClitz
                  Participant

                    Hi Susan, I've done a lot of reseach since I've heard of this news. Given that this birthmark/mole is relevantly new, I hope that melanoma did not spread. Also, the doctor said that the he's happy that the size is not less than 2mm and that it's not ulcerated…. What do you think?? As for WLE (wide local excision) and the SNB (sentinel node biopsy), do you typically get the results the same day or is there also a long waiting period?

                    RifClitz
                    Participant

                      Hi Susan, I've done a lot of reseach since I've heard of this news. Given that this birthmark/mole is relevantly new, I hope that melanoma did not spread. Also, the doctor said that the he's happy that the size is not less than 2mm and that it's not ulcerated…. What do you think?? As for WLE (wide local excision) and the SNB (sentinel node biopsy), do you typically get the results the same day or is there also a long waiting period?

                    Kim K
                    Participant

                      There is a staging calculator on this website you can use with the information you have on the biopsy to get where he is at this point.  There is no ulceration – good!  The mitotic rate is above 1 – not so good but currently won't upstage him.  Please note the calculator may be the old criteria prior to 2005 I think.  Ulceration if present will now upstage a patient, in the old version it wasn't mentioned.

                      You don't know his final staging at this time.  He needs a sentinal node biopsy at the same time as the wide excision, only then will you know.  There is enough risk at that depth to warrant the SNB which will let you know if he is stage III or not.  You can search medical research articles online asking that exact question "risk of spred to lymph nodes based on initial tumor depth".

                      You don't have enough information at this time to know the true extent of his melanoma, only further testing will let you know.  Until you have that information try not to let it mess with your head.  For some that means staying off line, for others it means researching worse case scenario so you can research availible treatments to discuss with your doctor should that happen.  If not, you at least have a game plan.

                      Don't let panic get in the way, it is a useless waste of time and energy.  It is time to dig in and educate yourself first, or at least wait until all the staging information comes back, then research.  Main thing is to have a good relationship with your docs.

                      It isn't the end of the world although it may seem like it right at this moment in time.  Been there, done that, now a stage IV NED survivor over 5 years.  Initially was stage 2A back in 2001.  My tumor was 2.06 mm.  Time makes things easier to deal with, the anxiety will pass and become more managable, but it is always there waiting for results.

                      KK

                       

                      Kim K
                      Participant

                        There is a staging calculator on this website you can use with the information you have on the biopsy to get where he is at this point.  There is no ulceration – good!  The mitotic rate is above 1 – not so good but currently won't upstage him.  Please note the calculator may be the old criteria prior to 2005 I think.  Ulceration if present will now upstage a patient, in the old version it wasn't mentioned.

                        You don't know his final staging at this time.  He needs a sentinal node biopsy at the same time as the wide excision, only then will you know.  There is enough risk at that depth to warrant the SNB which will let you know if he is stage III or not.  You can search medical research articles online asking that exact question "risk of spred to lymph nodes based on initial tumor depth".

                        You don't have enough information at this time to know the true extent of his melanoma, only further testing will let you know.  Until you have that information try not to let it mess with your head.  For some that means staying off line, for others it means researching worse case scenario so you can research availible treatments to discuss with your doctor should that happen.  If not, you at least have a game plan.

                        Don't let panic get in the way, it is a useless waste of time and energy.  It is time to dig in and educate yourself first, or at least wait until all the staging information comes back, then research.  Main thing is to have a good relationship with your docs.

                        It isn't the end of the world although it may seem like it right at this moment in time.  Been there, done that, now a stage IV NED survivor over 5 years.  Initially was stage 2A back in 2001.  My tumor was 2.06 mm.  Time makes things easier to deal with, the anxiety will pass and become more managable, but it is always there waiting for results.

                        KK

                         

                        Kim K
                        Participant

                          There is a staging calculator on this website you can use with the information you have on the biopsy to get where he is at this point.  There is no ulceration – good!  The mitotic rate is above 1 – not so good but currently won't upstage him.  Please note the calculator may be the old criteria prior to 2005 I think.  Ulceration if present will now upstage a patient, in the old version it wasn't mentioned.

                          You don't know his final staging at this time.  He needs a sentinal node biopsy at the same time as the wide excision, only then will you know.  There is enough risk at that depth to warrant the SNB which will let you know if he is stage III or not.  You can search medical research articles online asking that exact question "risk of spred to lymph nodes based on initial tumor depth".

                          You don't have enough information at this time to know the true extent of his melanoma, only further testing will let you know.  Until you have that information try not to let it mess with your head.  For some that means staying off line, for others it means researching worse case scenario so you can research availible treatments to discuss with your doctor should that happen.  If not, you at least have a game plan.

                          Don't let panic get in the way, it is a useless waste of time and energy.  It is time to dig in and educate yourself first, or at least wait until all the staging information comes back, then research.  Main thing is to have a good relationship with your docs.

                          It isn't the end of the world although it may seem like it right at this moment in time.  Been there, done that, now a stage IV NED survivor over 5 years.  Initially was stage 2A back in 2001.  My tumor was 2.06 mm.  Time makes things easier to deal with, the anxiety will pass and become more managable, but it is always there waiting for results.

                          KK

                           

                            Kim K
                            Participant

                              I had a brain lapse, before using the old calculator he wouldn't be upstaged but now he would ex. if ulceration present and depth of tumor put someone at stage 2A, it would bump them up to 2B.

                              Kim K
                              Participant

                                I had a brain lapse, before using the old calculator he wouldn't be upstaged but now he would ex. if ulceration present and depth of tumor put someone at stage 2A, it would bump them up to 2B.

                                Kim K
                                Participant

                                  I had a brain lapse, before using the old calculator he wouldn't be upstaged but now he would ex. if ulceration present and depth of tumor put someone at stage 2A, it would bump them up to 2B.

                                  RifClitz
                                  Participant

                                    Given that there is no ulceration,  I guess there is also a possibility that he is 1B?

                                     

                                    RifClitz
                                    Participant

                                      Given that there is no ulceration,  I guess there is also a possibility that he is 1B?

                                       

                                      RifClitz
                                      Participant

                                        Given that there is no ulceration,  I guess there is also a possibility that he is 1B?

                                         

                                        Kim K
                                        Participant

                                          Hopefully that is where it will end.  If the SNB is positive he jumps to stage III.  If so, then further scans which hopefully won't make him a IV.  I doubt he is that far along with a 1mm mass though.  Not common but possible.  He did have a high mitotic rate of 4.

                                          Hang tough until you get the results of your SNB.  If they don't see gross disease at the time of surgery, that is a good thing.  Further staining is needed and that takes around a week at most places.  About the time of your post-op visit.

                                          Kim K
                                          Participant

                                            Hopefully that is where it will end.  If the SNB is positive he jumps to stage III.  If so, then further scans which hopefully won't make him a IV.  I doubt he is that far along with a 1mm mass though.  Not common but possible.  He did have a high mitotic rate of 4.

                                            Hang tough until you get the results of your SNB.  If they don't see gross disease at the time of surgery, that is a good thing.  Further staining is needed and that takes around a week at most places.  About the time of your post-op visit.

                                            Kim K
                                            Participant

                                              Hopefully that is where it will end.  If the SNB is positive he jumps to stage III.  If so, then further scans which hopefully won't make him a IV.  I doubt he is that far along with a 1mm mass though.  Not common but possible.  He did have a high mitotic rate of 4.

                                              Hang tough until you get the results of your SNB.  If they don't see gross disease at the time of surgery, that is a good thing.  Further staining is needed and that takes around a week at most places.  About the time of your post-op visit.

                                              casagrayson
                                              Participant

                                                In the new staging criteria, he is at least a Stage T2a, due to the depth of the primary.  That really doesn't change anything from being a stage 1.   If your doctor is not a melanoma specialist, make sure that the SNB is peformed with the WLE — otherwise the surgery might change the drainage system for the lymph nodes and an SNB at a later time would not be of any value.

                                                casagrayson
                                                Participant

                                                  In the new staging criteria, he is at least a Stage T2a, due to the depth of the primary.  That really doesn't change anything from being a stage 1.   If your doctor is not a melanoma specialist, make sure that the SNB is peformed with the WLE — otherwise the surgery might change the drainage system for the lymph nodes and an SNB at a later time would not be of any value.

                                                  casagrayson
                                                  Participant

                                                    In the new staging criteria, he is at least a Stage T2a, due to the depth of the primary.  That really doesn't change anything from being a stage 1.   If your doctor is not a melanoma specialist, make sure that the SNB is peformed with the WLE — otherwise the surgery might change the drainage system for the lymph nodes and an SNB at a later time would not be of any value.

                                                    RifClitz
                                                    Participant

                                                      UPDATE::::: 

                                                      Spoke to his surgeon today…. The surgeon wants to perform WLE, CAT Scan and PAT SCAN.. and is also performing some type of a blood test. He did not suggest the SNB…which worries me a bit.  I guess maybe because the size is 1.1, which is on the boarderline. 

                                                       

                                                      He said that once all of this info is obtained, he will send it as a package to an oncologist at Jefferson University to see what the next steps are..The Jefferson oncologist is Dr. Michael J. Mastrangelo, MD..

                                                      This whole process might take approximately 3 weeks. 

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      Is that a good approach?

                                                      RifClitz
                                                      Participant

                                                        UPDATE::::: 

                                                        Spoke to his surgeon today…. The surgeon wants to perform WLE, CAT Scan and PAT SCAN.. and is also performing some type of a blood test. He did not suggest the SNB…which worries me a bit.  I guess maybe because the size is 1.1, which is on the boarderline. 

                                                         

                                                        He said that once all of this info is obtained, he will send it as a package to an oncologist at Jefferson University to see what the next steps are..The Jefferson oncologist is Dr. Michael J. Mastrangelo, MD..

                                                        This whole process might take approximately 3 weeks. 

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        Is that a good approach?

                                                        RifClitz
                                                        Participant

                                                          UPDATE::::: 

                                                          Spoke to his surgeon today…. The surgeon wants to perform WLE, CAT Scan and PAT SCAN.. and is also performing some type of a blood test. He did not suggest the SNB…which worries me a bit.  I guess maybe because the size is 1.1, which is on the boarderline. 

                                                           

                                                          He said that once all of this info is obtained, he will send it as a package to an oncologist at Jefferson University to see what the next steps are..The Jefferson oncologist is Dr. Michael J. Mastrangelo, MD..

                                                          This whole process might take approximately 3 weeks. 

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Is that a good approach?

                                                          Janner
                                                          Participant

                                                            CT and PET scans do not have good enough resolution to see microscopic cells – that's why the SNB is done.  You can see if there is microscopic spread before it would show up on a scan.  1.1 with a mitosis of 4 isn't really borderline, it's past the normal threshold.   I, personally, think the SNB is sometime done too often for lower risk lesions.  However, this isn't one of those.  This meets the criteria and I would want to know why it isn't at least being discussed.  You can't do it later – it has to be done prior to the WLE or else the results may be compromised.  The WLE can alter the drainage paths so anything done later is questionable.  I'd probably be emailing the oncologist to ask his opinion prior to allowing the surgeon to proceed.  Just my 2 cents.

                                                            Janner
                                                            Participant

                                                              CT and PET scans do not have good enough resolution to see microscopic cells – that's why the SNB is done.  You can see if there is microscopic spread before it would show up on a scan.  1.1 with a mitosis of 4 isn't really borderline, it's past the normal threshold.   I, personally, think the SNB is sometime done too often for lower risk lesions.  However, this isn't one of those.  This meets the criteria and I would want to know why it isn't at least being discussed.  You can't do it later – it has to be done prior to the WLE or else the results may be compromised.  The WLE can alter the drainage paths so anything done later is questionable.  I'd probably be emailing the oncologist to ask his opinion prior to allowing the surgeon to proceed.  Just my 2 cents.

                                                              Janner
                                                              Participant

                                                                CT and PET scans do not have good enough resolution to see microscopic cells – that's why the SNB is done.  You can see if there is microscopic spread before it would show up on a scan.  1.1 with a mitosis of 4 isn't really borderline, it's past the normal threshold.   I, personally, think the SNB is sometime done too often for lower risk lesions.  However, this isn't one of those.  This meets the criteria and I would want to know why it isn't at least being discussed.  You can't do it later – it has to be done prior to the WLE or else the results may be compromised.  The WLE can alter the drainage paths so anything done later is questionable.  I'd probably be emailing the oncologist to ask his opinion prior to allowing the surgeon to proceed.  Just my 2 cents.

                                                                casagrayson
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Dr. Mastrangelo is a melanoma specialist, so that is a good choice.  I absolutely second what Janner said … talk to him *first* before having any WLE.  

                                                                  casagrayson
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Dr. Mastrangelo is a melanoma specialist, so that is a good choice.  I absolutely second what Janner said … talk to him *first* before having any WLE.  

                                                                    casagrayson
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Dr. Mastrangelo is a melanoma specialist, so that is a good choice.  I absolutely second what Janner said … talk to him *first* before having any WLE.  

                                                                      BrianP
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        If it were me or my Dad I would insist on the SNB.  You sound like you are a researcher and digger of information.  I recommend this video:

                                                                        http://melanomainternational.org/webinar/2016/01/decision-making-for-melanoma-stage-iii-beyond/#.VpVFR4-cFmA

                                                                        It has a great discussion on SNB.  For many doctors the cutoff between rather or not to do a SNB is .75mm.

                                                                        Brian

                                                                        BrianP
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          If it were me or my Dad I would insist on the SNB.  You sound like you are a researcher and digger of information.  I recommend this video:

                                                                          http://melanomainternational.org/webinar/2016/01/decision-making-for-melanoma-stage-iii-beyond/#.VpVFR4-cFmA

                                                                          It has a great discussion on SNB.  For many doctors the cutoff between rather or not to do a SNB is .75mm.

                                                                          Brian

                                                                          BrianP
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            If it were me or my Dad I would insist on the SNB.  You sound like you are a researcher and digger of information.  I recommend this video:

                                                                            http://melanomainternational.org/webinar/2016/01/decision-making-for-melanoma-stage-iii-beyond/#.VpVFR4-cFmA

                                                                            It has a great discussion on SNB.  For many doctors the cutoff between rather or not to do a SNB is .75mm.

                                                                            Brian

                                                                            RifClitz
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              so we're in a pretty tough situation. The original biopsy was performed on the 18 of Dec. We received his results on the Dec 7. I just spoke to his surgeon a few minutes ago and he does not want to perform the SNB. He only wants to proceed with the WLE in three day. If we look for another oncologist, we're probably going to lose another 2.5 weeks. Given that his biopsy was so long ago, does that also put him at risk?

                                                                              RifClitz
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                so we're in a pretty tough situation. The original biopsy was performed on the 18 of Dec. We received his results on the Dec 7. I just spoke to his surgeon a few minutes ago and he does not want to perform the SNB. He only wants to proceed with the WLE in three day. If we look for another oncologist, we're probably going to lose another 2.5 weeks. Given that his biopsy was so long ago, does that also put him at risk?

                                                                                RifClitz
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  so we're in a pretty tough situation. The original biopsy was performed on the 18 of Dec. We received his results on the Dec 7. I just spoke to his surgeon a few minutes ago and he does not want to perform the SNB. He only wants to proceed with the WLE in three day. If we look for another oncologist, we're probably going to lose another 2.5 weeks. Given that his biopsy was so long ago, does that also put him at risk?

                                                                                  BrianP
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    That stinks the surgeon isn't willing to listen to the families' input and desire.  I could understand if you were requesting something completely outside the box but this is a reasonable request.

                                                                                    I would recommend you watch that video I sent and armed with that knowledge consider the 2.5 weeks. 

                                                                                    When I progressed to stage III I had a known tumor and we were scheduling my surgery.  My surgeon didn't have any openings for about 4 weeks.  I really wanted the surgery immediately and my wife did also.  She turned on the water works and we got in the next week.  I'm not telling this story to tell you to turn on the waterworks.  I'm telling it to let you know my surgeon didn't think a couple weeks was significant.  He changed the appointment only for our emotional and psycological well-being.

                                                                                    Not that you asked, but if it were me I'd find another surgeon or keep the appointment and at least get a second opinion about the SNB.

                                                                                    Brian

                                                                                    BrianP
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      That stinks the surgeon isn't willing to listen to the families' input and desire.  I could understand if you were requesting something completely outside the box but this is a reasonable request.

                                                                                      I would recommend you watch that video I sent and armed with that knowledge consider the 2.5 weeks. 

                                                                                      When I progressed to stage III I had a known tumor and we were scheduling my surgery.  My surgeon didn't have any openings for about 4 weeks.  I really wanted the surgery immediately and my wife did also.  She turned on the water works and we got in the next week.  I'm not telling this story to tell you to turn on the waterworks.  I'm telling it to let you know my surgeon didn't think a couple weeks was significant.  He changed the appointment only for our emotional and psycological well-being.

                                                                                      Not that you asked, but if it were me I'd find another surgeon or keep the appointment and at least get a second opinion about the SNB.

                                                                                      Brian

                                                                                      BrianP
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        That stinks the surgeon isn't willing to listen to the families' input and desire.  I could understand if you were requesting something completely outside the box but this is a reasonable request.

                                                                                        I would recommend you watch that video I sent and armed with that knowledge consider the 2.5 weeks. 

                                                                                        When I progressed to stage III I had a known tumor and we were scheduling my surgery.  My surgeon didn't have any openings for about 4 weeks.  I really wanted the surgery immediately and my wife did also.  She turned on the water works and we got in the next week.  I'm not telling this story to tell you to turn on the waterworks.  I'm telling it to let you know my surgeon didn't think a couple weeks was significant.  He changed the appointment only for our emotional and psycological well-being.

                                                                                        Not that you asked, but if it were me I'd find another surgeon or keep the appointment and at least get a second opinion about the SNB.

                                                                                        Brian

                                                                                        RifClitz
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          yes, we're in a pretty crappy situation….. It's also tough that you can't do an WLE and then come back and do the SNB few weeks later. 

                                                                                          RifClitz
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            yes, we're in a pretty crappy situation….. It's also tough that you can't do an WLE and then come back and do the SNB few weeks later. 

                                                                                            RifClitz
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              yes, we're in a pretty crappy situation….. It's also tough that you can't do an WLE and then come back and do the SNB few weeks later. 

                                                                                              Janner
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                According to studies, it doesn't change prognosis waiting.  Personally, I'd pass on this surgeon and move on to one who will follow the standard protocol for a lesion like your father's – and that includes a SNB.  There are guidelines for a reason.

                                                                                                Janner
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  According to studies, it doesn't change prognosis waiting.  Personally, I'd pass on this surgeon and move on to one who will follow the standard protocol for a lesion like your father's – and that includes a SNB.  There are guidelines for a reason.

                                                                                                  Janner
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    According to studies, it doesn't change prognosis waiting.  Personally, I'd pass on this surgeon and move on to one who will follow the standard protocol for a lesion like your father's – and that includes a SNB.  There are guidelines for a reason.

                                                                                                    RifClitz
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      UPDATE::: In case you guys care… I was able to get  a hold of a few UPenn surgeons…. They are reviewing his file and will provide feedback in the next few hours….. 

                                                                                                      RifClitz
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        UPDATE::: In case you guys care… I was able to get  a hold of a few UPenn surgeons…. They are reviewing his file and will provide feedback in the next few hours….. 

                                                                                                        RifClitz
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          UPDATE::: In case you guys care… I was able to get  a hold of a few UPenn surgeons…. They are reviewing his file and will provide feedback in the next few hours….. 

                                                                                                          casagrayson
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            I would absolutely take the delay over a surgery that doesn't follow the normal protocols and for which the decision is *irreversible*!

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            casagrayson
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              I would absolutely take the delay over a surgery that doesn't follow the normal protocols and for which the decision is *irreversible*!

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                              casagrayson
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                I would absolutely take the delay over a surgery that doesn't follow the normal protocols and for which the decision is *irreversible*!

                                                                                                                 

                                                                                                                RifClitz
                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                  I'm hoping to hear from U Penn sometime tomorrow. I'm just hoping that all this down time does not hurt him

                                                                                                                  RifClitz
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    I'm hoping to hear from U Penn sometime tomorrow. I'm just hoping that all this down time does not hurt him

                                                                                                                    RifClitz
                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                      I'm hoping to hear from U Penn sometime tomorrow. I'm just hoping that all this down time does not hurt him

                                                                                                                    Kim K
                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                      IMHO – Janner as always is spot on.

                                                                                                                      It is standard procedure with a 1.1 and mitosis of 4 to have the SNB done.  Seems like your doc is betting on stage IV right off the bat.  If the scans are negative, then what?!  He still needs a SNB Before the WLE!  Unless there is something else this doctor isn't explaining to you, you can't go back and have the SNB after the WLE.  Please please please don't rush into a WLE unless the SNB is done at the same time.

                                                                                                                      In my case we did becuase my moron "cancer specialist dermatologist" didn't get a wide enough WLE.  My tumor was 2.06 mm and he never mentioned an SNB!  He then sent me to a medical oncologist after his WLE who then sent me back to a surgical onc which is where I should have gone before he ever laid his scalpel on me a second time!  That doc even knew better because my surgical oncologist told me he spoke to him personally to not touch melanoma patients if they had a tumor deeper than 1.0 mm and send them directly to him for the SNB.  All water under the bridge and I am still here cheeky.

                                                                                                                      I didn't give him the chance to screw me up a third time.  He couldn't even do a good skin exam which is very very easy to do and should be the first course taught in derm residency.  *now off my soap box*.

                                                                                                                      I wish I had listened to the group here first but I was scared, and still didn't know if I could trust what I read online.  I was in the deer in the headlights stage.

                                                                                                                      Glad you are able to get a second opinion.  Now15 years after diagnosis I can say, waiting a bit more for proper care will be well worth it right now.  I am kind of scared of what your doctor recommended, not the standard of care from what you have posted so far.

                                                                                                                      In the end, I became stage IV, 8 years later and it was caught when I had a back x-ray for other issues.  My chiropractor sort of saved my life.  The found a tumor in my lung.  Amazing how treatments have changed for the better since first diagnosed in 2001.

                                                                                                                      Kim K
                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                        IMHO – Janner as always is spot on.

                                                                                                                        It is standard procedure with a 1.1 and mitosis of 4 to have the SNB done.  Seems like your doc is betting on stage IV right off the bat.  If the scans are negative, then what?!  He still needs a SNB Before the WLE!  Unless there is something else this doctor isn't explaining to you, you can't go back and have the SNB after the WLE.  Please please please don't rush into a WLE unless the SNB is done at the same time.

                                                                                                                        In my case we did becuase my moron "cancer specialist dermatologist" didn't get a wide enough WLE.  My tumor was 2.06 mm and he never mentioned an SNB!  He then sent me to a medical oncologist after his WLE who then sent me back to a surgical onc which is where I should have gone before he ever laid his scalpel on me a second time!  That doc even knew better because my surgical oncologist told me he spoke to him personally to not touch melanoma patients if they had a tumor deeper than 1.0 mm and send them directly to him for the SNB.  All water under the bridge and I am still here cheeky.

                                                                                                                        I didn't give him the chance to screw me up a third time.  He couldn't even do a good skin exam which is very very easy to do and should be the first course taught in derm residency.  *now off my soap box*.

                                                                                                                        I wish I had listened to the group here first but I was scared, and still didn't know if I could trust what I read online.  I was in the deer in the headlights stage.

                                                                                                                        Glad you are able to get a second opinion.  Now15 years after diagnosis I can say, waiting a bit more for proper care will be well worth it right now.  I am kind of scared of what your doctor recommended, not the standard of care from what you have posted so far.

                                                                                                                        In the end, I became stage IV, 8 years later and it was caught when I had a back x-ray for other issues.  My chiropractor sort of saved my life.  The found a tumor in my lung.  Amazing how treatments have changed for the better since first diagnosed in 2001.

                                                                                                                        Kim K
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                                                                                                                          IMHO – Janner as always is spot on.

                                                                                                                          It is standard procedure with a 1.1 and mitosis of 4 to have the SNB done.  Seems like your doc is betting on stage IV right off the bat.  If the scans are negative, then what?!  He still needs a SNB Before the WLE!  Unless there is something else this doctor isn't explaining to you, you can't go back and have the SNB after the WLE.  Please please please don't rush into a WLE unless the SNB is done at the same time.

                                                                                                                          In my case we did becuase my moron "cancer specialist dermatologist" didn't get a wide enough WLE.  My tumor was 2.06 mm and he never mentioned an SNB!  He then sent me to a medical oncologist after his WLE who then sent me back to a surgical onc which is where I should have gone before he ever laid his scalpel on me a second time!  That doc even knew better because my surgical oncologist told me he spoke to him personally to not touch melanoma patients if they had a tumor deeper than 1.0 mm and send them directly to him for the SNB.  All water under the bridge and I am still here cheeky.

                                                                                                                          I didn't give him the chance to screw me up a third time.  He couldn't even do a good skin exam which is very very easy to do and should be the first course taught in derm residency.  *now off my soap box*.

                                                                                                                          I wish I had listened to the group here first but I was scared, and still didn't know if I could trust what I read online.  I was in the deer in the headlights stage.

                                                                                                                          Glad you are able to get a second opinion.  Now15 years after diagnosis I can say, waiting a bit more for proper care will be well worth it right now.  I am kind of scared of what your doctor recommended, not the standard of care from what you have posted so far.

                                                                                                                          In the end, I became stage IV, 8 years later and it was caught when I had a back x-ray for other issues.  My chiropractor sort of saved my life.  The found a tumor in my lung.  Amazing how treatments have changed for the better since first diagnosed in 2001.

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