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- June 28, 2015 at 2:47 pm
So how we eat to improve health…………just laying it out there that I am a past pastry chef and there typically is ice cream in the fridge! A friend who is a nutritionist has shared with us some big NO NOs on how we should be eating. We eat well now, but indulgences exist……
How has everyone changed their diet in this new "cancer enviornment"?
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- June 28, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Hi Rita,
Awesome — a pastry chef ๐
The only lasting change I've made is that prior to this, I probably didn't eat enough fruit/veggies, and probably a little too much indulgence-wise. I believe in moderation. So more fruits/veggies, lentils, soup, etc. but some chicken, occasional fish, very occasional red meat. A few indulgences similar to what you might have in your fridge or in display case.
I know there are other approaches to this. I think exercise + common sense diet for almost anybody + sleep habits are a powerful combo.
-Kyle
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- June 28, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Hi Rita,
Awesome — a pastry chef ๐
The only lasting change I've made is that prior to this, I probably didn't eat enough fruit/veggies, and probably a little too much indulgence-wise. I believe in moderation. So more fruits/veggies, lentils, soup, etc. but some chicken, occasional fish, very occasional red meat. A few indulgences similar to what you might have in your fridge or in display case.
I know there are other approaches to this. I think exercise + common sense diet for almost anybody + sleep habits are a powerful combo.
-Kyle
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- June 28, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Hi Rita,
Awesome — a pastry chef ๐
The only lasting change I've made is that prior to this, I probably didn't eat enough fruit/veggies, and probably a little too much indulgence-wise. I believe in moderation. So more fruits/veggies, lentils, soup, etc. but some chicken, occasional fish, very occasional red meat. A few indulgences similar to what you might have in your fridge or in display case.
I know there are other approaches to this. I think exercise + common sense diet for almost anybody + sleep habits are a powerful combo.
-Kyle
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- June 29, 2015 at 12:50 am
Hi Rita&Charles: To do our part to help Keytruda do its thing & make my husband's body as hostile to his melanoma as possible, we are eating a diet of alkaline foods as much as possible, ie, organic, leafy greens, seaweed, select fruits, lemons, limes, limited grains, selected legumes, some root vegetables, no acidic, pro inflammatory stuff. Dropped the sugar, white flour, wine, beer, corn, white potatoes, processed foods and such. Our protein is mainly wild caught seafood, organic tofu, chicken, turkey, red meat very occasionally that is only grass fed, organic eggs — the older they get the more alkaline they are. It wasn't a huge change for us but the cookies & ice cream had to go. Alas, we are not supporting our local pastry chef altho' we'd like to.
Good wishes as you gather up the forces to do battle. A.L.
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- June 29, 2015 at 1:11 am
Thanks for the update, our fridge looks like a farm right now! Take care, Rita
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- June 29, 2015 at 1:11 am
Thanks for the update, our fridge looks like a farm right now! Take care, Rita
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- June 29, 2015 at 1:11 am
Thanks for the update, our fridge looks like a farm right now! Take care, Rita
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- July 1, 2015 at 12:59 am
Maybe you should steer clear of citrus fruits as there is a study just come out that links citrus consumption with increased risk of melanoma.
I was advised by naturopath a couple of years ago to steer clear of citrus and it seems like it was good advice.
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- July 1, 2015 at 12:59 am
Maybe you should steer clear of citrus fruits as there is a study just come out that links citrus consumption with increased risk of melanoma.
I was advised by naturopath a couple of years ago to steer clear of citrus and it seems like it was good advice.
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- July 1, 2015 at 12:59 am
Maybe you should steer clear of citrus fruits as there is a study just come out that links citrus consumption with increased risk of melanoma.
I was advised by naturopath a couple of years ago to steer clear of citrus and it seems like it was good advice.
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- July 6, 2015 at 11:43 pm
Thanks for your upddate, that is exactlay what our friend told us to do…..she is a nutritionist and printed a few alkaline charts for food for us. In a year we are most likely going to be vegetarians ….fridge is stocked!
Rita
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- July 6, 2015 at 11:43 pm
Thanks for your upddate, that is exactlay what our friend told us to do…..she is a nutritionist and printed a few alkaline charts for food for us. In a year we are most likely going to be vegetarians ….fridge is stocked!
Rita
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- July 7, 2015 at 12:37 am
Hi Rita – sorry to throw some conflicting information at you, but I am a believer in collecting all available information and then making a decision for myself so with that in mind, I'll share a different diet with you. My doctor uses nutrition as a part of cancer treatment and claims that people with solid-tumor cancers (pancreatic, breast, prostate, etc.) should follow an alkaline diet (lots of veggies) while people with blood-borne cancers and melanoma should eat more on the acidic side (meat). He has me eating 50% raw and 50% cooked with some meat, poultry or fish every day (also cruciferous vegetables – cooked) and fresh carrot juice twice a day and a spinach side-salad once a day. No processed food and no sugar (except raw honey, stevia, maple syrup, molasses or whole fruit). All food is "clean" (organic, grass-fed, wild-caught, pasture-raised, etc.) and all water is filtered (reverse osmosis). Many may consider my diet extreme but I am enjoying it (after years of daily 1/4-pounders with cheese). I can't yet speak to the effect on my cancer, but the rest of me feels much better eating this way.
Best of luck to you on your search for answers
Cheers!
Maggie
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- July 7, 2015 at 12:37 am
Hi Rita – sorry to throw some conflicting information at you, but I am a believer in collecting all available information and then making a decision for myself so with that in mind, I'll share a different diet with you. My doctor uses nutrition as a part of cancer treatment and claims that people with solid-tumor cancers (pancreatic, breast, prostate, etc.) should follow an alkaline diet (lots of veggies) while people with blood-borne cancers and melanoma should eat more on the acidic side (meat). He has me eating 50% raw and 50% cooked with some meat, poultry or fish every day (also cruciferous vegetables – cooked) and fresh carrot juice twice a day and a spinach side-salad once a day. No processed food and no sugar (except raw honey, stevia, maple syrup, molasses or whole fruit). All food is "clean" (organic, grass-fed, wild-caught, pasture-raised, etc.) and all water is filtered (reverse osmosis). Many may consider my diet extreme but I am enjoying it (after years of daily 1/4-pounders with cheese). I can't yet speak to the effect on my cancer, but the rest of me feels much better eating this way.
Best of luck to you on your search for answers
Cheers!
Maggie
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- July 13, 2015 at 4:02 am
Thanks Maggie, this does help a lot. I went back to some of your earlier posts when you struggled with what therapy to start with – we are in the same boat and are going with a choice of no surgery [ surgeon wants to remove mid lobe of right lung and all of the lymph nodes in the lung]. A Melanoma specialist at UCSD offered a second opinion of not recommending surgery as there is such a hight % of return, so why traumatize the body. This helped to validate our decision not to go surgical route.
Charles has made the decision to start with Vemurafenib + MEK as first line of defense. He has had rash "spots" for the last 9 months that no one could explain. His derm did biopsies, we used gallons of topical sterioid creams, went to rheumatologist – no one can figure them out. Finallly they gave him prednisone and that really helped. So he is what some would call "Immune twitchy" as its definitely SOMETHING immunological but they don't know what….. we found out about the lung tumor [2cmx roughtly 2cm] by chance on a chest xray. Subsequent PET showed sub carinal lymph nodes affected.
Can I ask what your final choice as "breaking your treatment virginity" so to speak?? It's hard to know…..door number one or two….
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- July 13, 2015 at 4:02 am
Thanks Maggie, this does help a lot. I went back to some of your earlier posts when you struggled with what therapy to start with – we are in the same boat and are going with a choice of no surgery [ surgeon wants to remove mid lobe of right lung and all of the lymph nodes in the lung]. A Melanoma specialist at UCSD offered a second opinion of not recommending surgery as there is such a hight % of return, so why traumatize the body. This helped to validate our decision not to go surgical route.
Charles has made the decision to start with Vemurafenib + MEK as first line of defense. He has had rash "spots" for the last 9 months that no one could explain. His derm did biopsies, we used gallons of topical sterioid creams, went to rheumatologist – no one can figure them out. Finallly they gave him prednisone and that really helped. So he is what some would call "Immune twitchy" as its definitely SOMETHING immunological but they don't know what….. we found out about the lung tumor [2cmx roughtly 2cm] by chance on a chest xray. Subsequent PET showed sub carinal lymph nodes affected.
Can I ask what your final choice as "breaking your treatment virginity" so to speak?? It's hard to know…..door number one or two….
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- July 16, 2015 at 6:09 pm
Hi Rita! I am so sorry for the delayed response (I don't check in daily). Yes, the first treatment option is a tough one. I still haven't made it. I decided against surgery because I had already had one lobe of my lung removed for the first spot found in 2012. I then had a recurrence in both lungs in January 2014. So it was clearly systemic and "spot removal" might buy time but not a cure in my case plus I am rather fond of breathing and couldn't imagine having even more of my lungs removed. So I decided on systemic treatment. I told my oncologist I would like to start with least-toxic/most effective and if/when I progress, then move to more toxic. This was prior to approval of Keytruda/Opdivo but he had access to one of them. We discussed a path of: Keytruda first, if it didn't work or stopped working, then Yervoy, if that didn't work, then the BRAF inhibitors and after that whatever the most promising trial was. I was comfortable with this approach but I was very unhealthy and I asked if it would be ok to work on my overall health before starting treatment. He had no problem with that based on my history and agreed to monitor me. During the next 9 months my disease remained mostly stable (total of 2mm growth in 2 out of 5 spots). Unfortunately for me during this time, Keytruda was FDA approved but as 3rd line treatment. In January of 2015 there was evidence of more rapid growth in 3 spots plus the emergence of a new spot (all in the lungs still). But now, he could no longer offer me Keytruda to start and I was to start on Yervoy. I was not happy with this. I decided to jump in with both feet to the Alternative world. Beginning in March I started seeing an MD who uses a combination of nutrition/supplements/detox strategies to address cancer. I do not know yet if it is having an impact on the cancer. In the meantime I continue to watch this board to learn about the progress being made with the existing and new therapies. If I decided to jump to medical treatment tomorrow, I would still choose Keytruda/Opdivo first. They seem to have the hightest possibility for long-term results (and fewer adverse effects than Yervoy). Plus I would still have the BRAFi in my back pocket which I know would work at least for a time. Unfortunately, Keytruda/Opdivo continue to not be offered as a first-line treatment in most cases (though I am reading of some exceptions which look promising). I do not understand why doctors are not permitted to use their own professional judgement when choosing the sequence of treatment.
Good luck to you and Charles! Please do continue to post with updates.
Best wishes – Maggie
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- July 16, 2015 at 6:09 pm
Hi Rita! I am so sorry for the delayed response (I don't check in daily). Yes, the first treatment option is a tough one. I still haven't made it. I decided against surgery because I had already had one lobe of my lung removed for the first spot found in 2012. I then had a recurrence in both lungs in January 2014. So it was clearly systemic and "spot removal" might buy time but not a cure in my case plus I am rather fond of breathing and couldn't imagine having even more of my lungs removed. So I decided on systemic treatment. I told my oncologist I would like to start with least-toxic/most effective and if/when I progress, then move to more toxic. This was prior to approval of Keytruda/Opdivo but he had access to one of them. We discussed a path of: Keytruda first, if it didn't work or stopped working, then Yervoy, if that didn't work, then the BRAF inhibitors and after that whatever the most promising trial was. I was comfortable with this approach but I was very unhealthy and I asked if it would be ok to work on my overall health before starting treatment. He had no problem with that based on my history and agreed to monitor me. During the next 9 months my disease remained mostly stable (total of 2mm growth in 2 out of 5 spots). Unfortunately for me during this time, Keytruda was FDA approved but as 3rd line treatment. In January of 2015 there was evidence of more rapid growth in 3 spots plus the emergence of a new spot (all in the lungs still). But now, he could no longer offer me Keytruda to start and I was to start on Yervoy. I was not happy with this. I decided to jump in with both feet to the Alternative world. Beginning in March I started seeing an MD who uses a combination of nutrition/supplements/detox strategies to address cancer. I do not know yet if it is having an impact on the cancer. In the meantime I continue to watch this board to learn about the progress being made with the existing and new therapies. If I decided to jump to medical treatment tomorrow, I would still choose Keytruda/Opdivo first. They seem to have the hightest possibility for long-term results (and fewer adverse effects than Yervoy). Plus I would still have the BRAFi in my back pocket which I know would work at least for a time. Unfortunately, Keytruda/Opdivo continue to not be offered as a first-line treatment in most cases (though I am reading of some exceptions which look promising). I do not understand why doctors are not permitted to use their own professional judgement when choosing the sequence of treatment.
Good luck to you and Charles! Please do continue to post with updates.
Best wishes – Maggie
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- July 16, 2015 at 6:09 pm
Hi Rita! I am so sorry for the delayed response (I don't check in daily). Yes, the first treatment option is a tough one. I still haven't made it. I decided against surgery because I had already had one lobe of my lung removed for the first spot found in 2012. I then had a recurrence in both lungs in January 2014. So it was clearly systemic and "spot removal" might buy time but not a cure in my case plus I am rather fond of breathing and couldn't imagine having even more of my lungs removed. So I decided on systemic treatment. I told my oncologist I would like to start with least-toxic/most effective and if/when I progress, then move to more toxic. This was prior to approval of Keytruda/Opdivo but he had access to one of them. We discussed a path of: Keytruda first, if it didn't work or stopped working, then Yervoy, if that didn't work, then the BRAF inhibitors and after that whatever the most promising trial was. I was comfortable with this approach but I was very unhealthy and I asked if it would be ok to work on my overall health before starting treatment. He had no problem with that based on my history and agreed to monitor me. During the next 9 months my disease remained mostly stable (total of 2mm growth in 2 out of 5 spots). Unfortunately for me during this time, Keytruda was FDA approved but as 3rd line treatment. In January of 2015 there was evidence of more rapid growth in 3 spots plus the emergence of a new spot (all in the lungs still). But now, he could no longer offer me Keytruda to start and I was to start on Yervoy. I was not happy with this. I decided to jump in with both feet to the Alternative world. Beginning in March I started seeing an MD who uses a combination of nutrition/supplements/detox strategies to address cancer. I do not know yet if it is having an impact on the cancer. In the meantime I continue to watch this board to learn about the progress being made with the existing and new therapies. If I decided to jump to medical treatment tomorrow, I would still choose Keytruda/Opdivo first. They seem to have the hightest possibility for long-term results (and fewer adverse effects than Yervoy). Plus I would still have the BRAFi in my back pocket which I know would work at least for a time. Unfortunately, Keytruda/Opdivo continue to not be offered as a first-line treatment in most cases (though I am reading of some exceptions which look promising). I do not understand why doctors are not permitted to use their own professional judgement when choosing the sequence of treatment.
Good luck to you and Charles! Please do continue to post with updates.
Best wishes – Maggie
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- July 16, 2015 at 6:18 pm
I should probably add a caveat. If my current treatments are having no effect and my tumor burden is increasing and tumors have gotten large, I would then start with BRAFi to knock them down in quantity and size. But if my tumor burden is low (i.e.: "room to grow" if the treament proves ineffective) I would start with one of the immune therapies in hopes of a durable response.
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- July 16, 2015 at 6:18 pm
I should probably add a caveat. If my current treatments are having no effect and my tumor burden is increasing and tumors have gotten large, I would then start with BRAFi to knock them down in quantity and size. But if my tumor burden is low (i.e.: "room to grow" if the treament proves ineffective) I would start with one of the immune therapies in hopes of a durable response.
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- July 16, 2015 at 6:18 pm
I should probably add a caveat. If my current treatments are having no effect and my tumor burden is increasing and tumors have gotten large, I would then start with BRAFi to knock them down in quantity and size. But if my tumor burden is low (i.e.: "room to grow" if the treament proves ineffective) I would start with one of the immune therapies in hopes of a durable response.
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- July 13, 2015 at 4:02 am
Thanks Maggie, this does help a lot. I went back to some of your earlier posts when you struggled with what therapy to start with – we are in the same boat and are going with a choice of no surgery [ surgeon wants to remove mid lobe of right lung and all of the lymph nodes in the lung]. A Melanoma specialist at UCSD offered a second opinion of not recommending surgery as there is such a hight % of return, so why traumatize the body. This helped to validate our decision not to go surgical route.
Charles has made the decision to start with Vemurafenib + MEK as first line of defense. He has had rash "spots" for the last 9 months that no one could explain. His derm did biopsies, we used gallons of topical sterioid creams, went to rheumatologist – no one can figure them out. Finallly they gave him prednisone and that really helped. So he is what some would call "Immune twitchy" as its definitely SOMETHING immunological but they don't know what….. we found out about the lung tumor [2cmx roughtly 2cm] by chance on a chest xray. Subsequent PET showed sub carinal lymph nodes affected.
Can I ask what your final choice as "breaking your treatment virginity" so to speak?? It's hard to know…..door number one or two….
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- July 7, 2015 at 12:37 am
Hi Rita – sorry to throw some conflicting information at you, but I am a believer in collecting all available information and then making a decision for myself so with that in mind, I'll share a different diet with you. My doctor uses nutrition as a part of cancer treatment and claims that people with solid-tumor cancers (pancreatic, breast, prostate, etc.) should follow an alkaline diet (lots of veggies) while people with blood-borne cancers and melanoma should eat more on the acidic side (meat). He has me eating 50% raw and 50% cooked with some meat, poultry or fish every day (also cruciferous vegetables – cooked) and fresh carrot juice twice a day and a spinach side-salad once a day. No processed food and no sugar (except raw honey, stevia, maple syrup, molasses or whole fruit). All food is "clean" (organic, grass-fed, wild-caught, pasture-raised, etc.) and all water is filtered (reverse osmosis). Many may consider my diet extreme but I am enjoying it (after years of daily 1/4-pounders with cheese). I can't yet speak to the effect on my cancer, but the rest of me feels much better eating this way.
Best of luck to you on your search for answers
Cheers!
Maggie
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- July 6, 2015 at 11:43 pm
Thanks for your upddate, that is exactlay what our friend told us to do…..she is a nutritionist and printed a few alkaline charts for food for us. In a year we are most likely going to be vegetarians ….fridge is stocked!
Rita
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- June 29, 2015 at 12:50 am
Hi Rita&Charles: To do our part to help Keytruda do its thing & make my husband's body as hostile to his melanoma as possible, we are eating a diet of alkaline foods as much as possible, ie, organic, leafy greens, seaweed, select fruits, lemons, limes, limited grains, selected legumes, some root vegetables, no acidic, pro inflammatory stuff. Dropped the sugar, white flour, wine, beer, corn, white potatoes, processed foods and such. Our protein is mainly wild caught seafood, organic tofu, chicken, turkey, red meat very occasionally that is only grass fed, organic eggs — the older they get the more alkaline they are. It wasn't a huge change for us but the cookies & ice cream had to go. Alas, we are not supporting our local pastry chef altho' we'd like to.
Good wishes as you gather up the forces to do battle. A.L.
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- June 29, 2015 at 12:50 am
Hi Rita&Charles: To do our part to help Keytruda do its thing & make my husband's body as hostile to his melanoma as possible, we are eating a diet of alkaline foods as much as possible, ie, organic, leafy greens, seaweed, select fruits, lemons, limes, limited grains, selected legumes, some root vegetables, no acidic, pro inflammatory stuff. Dropped the sugar, white flour, wine, beer, corn, white potatoes, processed foods and such. Our protein is mainly wild caught seafood, organic tofu, chicken, turkey, red meat very occasionally that is only grass fed, organic eggs — the older they get the more alkaline they are. It wasn't a huge change for us but the cookies & ice cream had to go. Alas, we are not supporting our local pastry chef altho' we'd like to.
Good wishes as you gather up the forces to do battle. A.L.
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- June 29, 2015 at 6:52 am
Hi Rita & Charles,
Someone posted asking for an update on your appointment this week. I'm interested as well. So, how did it go? Was the MRI of Charles brain clean or does Charles have one or more brain mets? If yes, how many and what treatment options did the doctor discuss with you and what are his thoughts?
In the meantime, there is new information on removing glutamine from the diet of melanoma patients. This was a topic at ASCO in Chicago and it could be helpful to discuss this with a doctor to weigh in on this.
Read: Melanoma’s addiction to glutamine is the basis for cancer growth
"Researchers at Sanford-Burnham have discovered that without a source of glutamine—one of the 20 amino acids used to build proteins—melanoma cells will stop proliferating and die."
Click PDF under the title of the article to download the complete journal article:
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- June 29, 2015 at 6:52 am
Hi Rita & Charles,
Someone posted asking for an update on your appointment this week. I'm interested as well. So, how did it go? Was the MRI of Charles brain clean or does Charles have one or more brain mets? If yes, how many and what treatment options did the doctor discuss with you and what are his thoughts?
In the meantime, there is new information on removing glutamine from the diet of melanoma patients. This was a topic at ASCO in Chicago and it could be helpful to discuss this with a doctor to weigh in on this.
Read: Melanoma’s addiction to glutamine is the basis for cancer growth
"Researchers at Sanford-Burnham have discovered that without a source of glutamine—one of the 20 amino acids used to build proteins—melanoma cells will stop proliferating and die."
Click PDF under the title of the article to download the complete journal article:
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- June 29, 2015 at 6:52 am
Hi Rita & Charles,
Someone posted asking for an update on your appointment this week. I'm interested as well. So, how did it go? Was the MRI of Charles brain clean or does Charles have one or more brain mets? If yes, how many and what treatment options did the doctor discuss with you and what are his thoughts?
In the meantime, there is new information on removing glutamine from the diet of melanoma patients. This was a topic at ASCO in Chicago and it could be helpful to discuss this with a doctor to weigh in on this.
Read: Melanoma’s addiction to glutamine is the basis for cancer growth
"Researchers at Sanford-Burnham have discovered that without a source of glutamine—one of the 20 amino acids used to build proteins—melanoma cells will stop proliferating and die."
Click PDF under the title of the article to download the complete journal article:
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- June 30, 2015 at 6:10 pm
We can get pretty passionate about food and there are always strong opinions. I am pretty certain that I did not get melanoma from eating too few fruits and vegetables (I really dislike my veggies). I am also pretty certain that eating more fruits and veggies will not cure my melanoma. So I am going to continue eating what I want with moderation. If I want ice cream, I will have some. If I want a strong adult beverage, I will have that too. Life is too short to deny yourself the little indulgences… cancer should teach us this.
Kevin
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- June 30, 2015 at 6:10 pm
We can get pretty passionate about food and there are always strong opinions. I am pretty certain that I did not get melanoma from eating too few fruits and vegetables (I really dislike my veggies). I am also pretty certain that eating more fruits and veggies will not cure my melanoma. So I am going to continue eating what I want with moderation. If I want ice cream, I will have some. If I want a strong adult beverage, I will have that too. Life is too short to deny yourself the little indulgences… cancer should teach us this.
Kevin
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- June 30, 2015 at 6:10 pm
We can get pretty passionate about food and there are always strong opinions. I am pretty certain that I did not get melanoma from eating too few fruits and vegetables (I really dislike my veggies). I am also pretty certain that eating more fruits and veggies will not cure my melanoma. So I am going to continue eating what I want with moderation. If I want ice cream, I will have some. If I want a strong adult beverage, I will have that too. Life is too short to deny yourself the little indulgences… cancer should teach us this.
Kevin
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